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post #31 of 393 Old 03-13-2015, 10:23 PM
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No big surprise considering who runs the show!

Perhaps they finally wised up and decided I was needed back to correct the error of their ways!

Look forward to your post's. Keep up the great work at your shop. You provide such an amazing value of service to your clients out there. Awesome stuff man. !!!

Oh, the stuff I say.
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post #32 of 393 Old 03-14-2015, 07:51 AM Thread Starter
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Look forward to your post's. Keep up the great work at your shop. You provide such an amazing value of service to your clients out there. Awesome stuff man. !!!
Who you calling Goober, goober.... You must have been looking in the mirror whilst typing again.
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C14's are a blast, yes they are...Okay they are a blast to ride and enjoy, just not so much to actually do any service on

So much fun working under the frame, and by the time you strip off all the bodywork, the 6 sub frames, the 4 sound deadening foam blocks, and spend atleast 30 minutes removing all the sand and bugs from around the valve cover area. Well then you get to finally pull the valve cover (which always leak on these for some reason) and adjust valves, synchronize throttle bodies--oh those are a joy too, since about 5 electrical plug connections and vacuum lines are in the way to get the sync access caps off
Then of course the under the frame throttle bodies require a bike specific tool to adjust the synchronization- god forbid if the screw tips are dirty and need to be removed for cleaning (as is usually the case) before you can actually do the synchronization. Because then you are looking at throttle body removal, which you have to do after the tank is off- and then through the frame structure to get off the intake.

Oh yeah, the frame box is the airbox and full of sand and bugs too.

Fun fun fun.

I love my job, even when it is working on one of the worst bikes for service accessibility

The stick coils all cleaned up and ready to go back on
The space in which to work under said frame
oh it does have variable cam timing on the intake cam too
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Good shit riverszzr. I wish I lived closer would love for you to work on my bike. I cant trust the mechanics out here for shit.
A big +1 on that.
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From now on I'm doing my valve adjustments, But I would pay the big bucks to have rivers work on my bike.
For the peace of mind & confidence the work was done & done right.

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From now on I'm doing my valve adjustments, But I would pay the big bucks to have rivers work on my bike.
For the peace of mind & confidence the work was done & done right.
Well I am not sure what you are doing right now is "doing it by myself"

I'll get to your PM's--been a busy day, finally done for the day.
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Welcome back. I haven't seen you call anyone completely retarded in awhile so thats kind of disappointing. I did have a few questions for you. Should I post them or PM you?

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Welcome back. I haven't seen you call anyone completely retarded in awhile so thats kind of disappointing. I did have a few questions for you. Should I post them or PM you?


Are you completely fucking retarded?

PMing me seems to be all the rage these days, you can do either.

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ha, right.

I bought an 06 CBR 600rr a few months ago for track use only. He said the bike has about 12k miles on it but it was crashed the cluster was replaced with a reading of 16k which is still not a huge deal since I only paid 2k for the bike. Now the bike has what I would call an autozone special exhaust. it looked like hand bent exhaust piping with a shiny autozone tip welded onto it. The bike does have PC and he said he runs the bike with a open header map but the bike still has the CAT so its not really open. Another detail is that the stock, according to the diagram is supposed to have an O2 sensor right at the collector but there is none and there is no hole for one either. My question: Since I have the bike pretty much apart is there anything I should do to make sure the engine is healthy besides checking spark plugs? I am new to this whole thing so before I begin to button it all back up and put it on the track I was to make sure its in decent shape. Also I did purchase a stock exhaust because the autozone special was pretty rusted out.

Next issue: the coolant overflow bottle has a small plastic tab that feeds through a bracket to keep it in place. Well that tab has broken off leaving a small hole so the previous owner filled it with some kind of what I could call caulk. I took it off because I didnt know what was accomplishing. What should I use to plug that hole up better since it sits next to the engine.

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For sure adjust valve clearances-- I mean that is a given

Check the cam sprockets and chain for wear while in there, check the tensioner and make sure it is good-functions smoothly and doesn't show any wear etc...

Throttle body sync, TPS adjustment, lube the cables, flush the brakes, all pretty standard maintenance affair.

Then of course you have suspension....how old is the fork oil?- what about the steering head bearings, they surely would benefit from cleaning and regreasing or replacing to a better bearing all together

If you are going back to stock exhaust- you'll probably atleast want to check the map on the PC- goods odds it was never set up properly anyways, so you will want to address that, they simply don not need 20-40% more fuel dumped on them, in any rpm range and all too often many of those maps people profess as "working" that is exactly what they have

as far as the coolant recovery tank......about any plastic weld, or even a jbweld I am sure would be fine, I can't see it obviously but I am guessing it is up high above normal coolant line, so it is just to keep it from splashing out- it may be better to get a different tank with the tab still intact though, so it mounts securely... but again I cannot see it

I am sure there is more too.... but I need to go back to work and earn my payday

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The previous owner said the forks were serviced about a month before hand. There are no leaks. The bike seemed to idle slightly rough, barely could tell, so I am hoping with the stock exhaust that will help even it out. The hole is at the bottom of the coolant tank. :/ Thank you for the advice. I will most likely be tearing into it a little more this weekend. Do you happen to have an online or digital copy of the service manual for that bike? All the ones I find seem sketchy.

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What are your thoughts on a bike as a whole? Not just shims and such but everything down to the wheel alignment on the swing arm and the tolerance of the spark plugs and even the fuel lines? Would that all cause differences in performance/reliability/wear? Certainly I think they would but where is the point that "good enough" takes effect, to where you can actually go out and enjoy the ride instead of worrying about wear and max performance? We all have limits to what we wish to do - some more than others - but is there a place where even you will stop tinkering with perfection? For me, I'd love to build a bike from the ground up and be as perfect as possible, but even the tools we use to measure certain parts have a tolerance of inaccuracy that we need to be aware of - especially if you have multiple of the same tool and end up using more than the one you started with. I'm not against what you said at all, I just want to know where you would stop and say "good enough".

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Fricking ma Kaw corp.

I ordered up 40- 2.925 shms and only 6 arrived, enough to button up that bike last week, but now yet another fricking C14 in need of............. you guessed it, 10- 2.925 shims and all I have is 3.
Seriously how the fuck can they only have 6 in the entire USA warehouse network? and worse yet not be able to tell me any idea when I could expect the rest.

I got sick of waiting, Went to Honda and ordered 50 of them with overnight shipping, I'll have them Monday morning, well some of them anyways about half are in stock between 3 warehouses.
Sadly I have yet another C14 scheduled for next Wednesday----I am sick of C14's- they absolutely suck to work on. Blast to ride, suck to do maintenance on, come to think of it, there is not a bike on my price list that costs more to do than the C14.

Using Kawasaki shims?

Is there a reason I should be using OEM shims versus something like Hot Cams? I found the Kawasaki shims to be several dollars a piece where the Hot Cams are a fraction of the cost.
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Is there a reason I should be using OEM shims versus something like Hot Cams? I found the Kawasaki shims to be several dollars a piece where the Hot Cams are a fraction of the cost.
Yes, Quality control!

Hot cams and all those aftermarket are barely surface hardened at best
And if you mic them, you will find that a bag of 5 "2.95" will range from 2.937-2.948...atleast the bag I checked did

but the real issue is they are not hardened sufficiently, despite what anyone tells you or thinks. And they will dent where the valve stem meets the shim and where the bucket dimple sits on the shim, especially if clearances get loose at all-even to the loose end of spec in most cases........then you get even bigger clearances and it escalates the problems

Kaw,Hon,Yam,Suz won't warranty any valve train issue if aftermarket shims were installed ..........they will decide that is the cause of the failure--I have been down this road with more than a couple customers already....... not that warranty is that big of a deal often---but that certainly should tell you something

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