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post #61 of 88 Old 11-16-2012, 08:59 PM
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Bro, not the right place to discuss such things. We don't need your whole personal life and its stupid for you to try to defend yourself to a public audience you'll never meet.

I'm not a shrink, but I've met a few guys like you before. If you're insecure enough to have to post all that here, riding skills are the least of the problems here.

As an FYI, you can fix a panic response. Twist of The Wrist 2 has 119 pages devoted to just that. Certainly worked my issues out. Haven't touched the brake in a corner in a while.

Whatever the issues are, solve them at home. We're going to support every member of this group, no matter what.
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Bro, not the right place to discuss such things. We don't need your whole personal life and its stupid for you to try to defend yourself to a public audience you'll never meet.

I'm not a shrink, but I've met a few guys like you before. If you're insecure enough to have to post all that here, riding skills are the least of the problems here.

As an FYI, you can fix a panic response. Twist of The Wrist 2 has 119 pages devoted to just that. Certainly worked my issues out. Haven't touched the brake in a corner in a while.

Whatever the issues are, solve them at home. We're going to support every member of this group, no matter what.
very true thank your for bringing this up first thing! im trying to help/ support her issues and maybe even some of my own and this is the perfect place for that hopefully she will check into twists pages!
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Bro, not the right place to discuss such things. We don't need your whole personal life and its stupid for you to try to defend yourself to a public audience you'll never meet.

I'm not a shrink, but I've met a few guys like you before. If you're insecure enough to have to post all that here, riding skills are the least of the problems here.

As an FYI, you can fix a panic response. Twist of The Wrist 2 has 119 pages devoted to just that. Certainly worked my issues out. Haven't touched the brake in a corner in a while.

Whatever the issues are, solve them at home. We're going to support every member of this group, no matter what.
Normally, I would be inclined to agree with you (as we all know). However I have taken it upon myself to read past the drama here and note that there are some pretty significant barriers that it sounds like our friend is struggling to overcome and perhaps those things can be addressed in this thread instead of dismissed. Isn't that what this thread is about? Support?

Red: I can understand where you are coming from. I can't apologize on behalf of this forum if you have taken any offense to anything you've read here because we were all purely responding to the information we've been given. But you are welcome to contribute and participate in this forum as you see fit... as long as it doesn't create drama.

That being said, it sounds like you care a great deal for your girlfriend and you are concerned for her safety. This is to be expected and no one is going to tell you to do otherwise but know that sometimes coming off like an "overbearing" parent when someone's confidence is already blasted isn't going to help the situation. I can't attest to whether or not you are or aren't but it's something I wanted to point out.

Meg - I don't think you'll find a rider on this forum who hasn't been a noob at some point. In fact, EvilTwin and I were JUST talking about our own noob phases last night over beers and mexican food. Needless to say, there was a lot of laughter involved. But also know this: motorcycling (especially sportbiking) is an ever evolving skill. You will never reach a point where you know EVERYTHING about it. That's part of what makes it so appealing to folks.

If you are willing, I would like to delve into your experiences and try and help you overcome this panic instinct. I would also like to invite other members to share their own experiences with overcoming barriers as well. The panic braking is probably one of the most common and most dangerous riding flaws that new riders contend with. It has a lot to do with a lot of different things but mostly it's psychology. It is the illusion that the brakes (like in a car) will stop you when you get into a jam. Unfortunately, a car has 4 wheels and can support itself in a corner. Bikes on the other hand, don't have that luxury, and by their very nature require gyroscopic forces generated by forward motion to keep them stable when they are leaned over. Therefore, on a motorcycle, brakes in a corner = BAD .

The sooner you program your mind to believe that, the better off you will be. But that isn't going to be enough and you must also reprogram your muscle memory, because often times we react before we have time to process what is going on. There have been SO many times when I have come into a corner hot and my hand didn't want to let go of the brake. I have literally, on several occasions, had to yell at myself to "let go of the fucking brake!" And I'm not the only one who does it, most of the very experienced amateur racers I know have the same experiences at times. It is counter intuitive and as such, the instinct is residual, even as you progress.

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Let me ask you this:

1. What do you feel are your biggest weaknesses when you are riding?

2. How do you feel when you are on the bike? For instance: does it feel too heavy? Does it feel unmanageable? Does it feel like you don't have any control?

Are you afraid of it?

3. What goes through your mind when you enter into a corner, honestly? Don't answer with what you SHOULD be thinking. Answer with what you do think (if you can remember). And this goes for all of your falls, crashes, and drops.

4. How many times, and when, do you look down at your speedo when you are riding?

5. Where and when do you feel the most confident (e.g., going in a straight line, making left hand turns, right hand turns, sweeping turns, coming into corners, exiting corners, etc.)?

Honesty is the best policy here because really, it isn't up to any of us to make you a better rider. If you don't feel comfortable answering candidly you can always pm me, but know that there are a lot of riders out there who are in the same boat you are. It isn't necessarily that they shouldn't be on a bike, but maybe exploring their areas of weakness will lead them to make a more realistic plan of how to improve their riding. Hell, maybe you need to get a smaller bike (like a 250) that you can feel more stable on. Stability and confidence are key here.

I know that you are invested in learning how to ride because I've seen the threads that you pay attention to. There is no one here who has a right to judge any rider for having areas of weakness and wanting to improve upon them. That is what this forum is for, and if anyone wants to challenge that I'll blow the dust off of the ban hammer.

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I'm not the best, fastest, or know all the answers.
Here's something that has helped me through my scared incompetence.
"The bike will out perform you."
The bike will and is capable of out performing you by worlds. There's pictures of guys dragging knee and elbow almost having the bike flat.
So every time you don't think you can pull off a turn, the bike can. Still ride within your skill level and ability.
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I'm not the best, fastest, or know all the answers.
Here's something that has helped me through my scared incompetence.
"The bike will out perform you."
The bike will and is capable of out performing you by worlds. There's pictures of guys dragging knee and elbow almost having the bike flat.
So every time you don't think you can pull off a turn, the bike can. Still ride within your skill level and ability.
Just remember.
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I 2nd that
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I am Melissa, 44 (in a couple weeks), started riding at 5 on a honda 50 dirt bike and rode dirt/street on enduros until I was 24. Took a 17 year break and then I bought a ninja 250, 6 months later bought a ninja 650, a year after that got an sv650 for my track bike, just sold that and got a zx6r as my new track bike. I ride track and backroads. Long straights bore me, but I understand it's fun to go fast...I get it. For me it's all about the curves though.

I have had not had a problem with support from people as for my riding, however I do see a lack of support for some others who are looked upon as not serious about riding in this area. There are men and women alike who ride for all the wrong reasons. It's obvious in how they ride and the lack of gear they wear. But at least here in St. Louis, when you prove you are serious about riding, everyone supports each other.
Do I have certain individuals that just "don't get it"? Definitely!!! But then again, I don't understand why people watch sports. To me it's not fun to watch, I want to do it! But that's their passion and more power to them, just don't ask me to sit there and be bored and watch too. LOL!
I do hope you find others to ride with. I definitely recommend a track day for anyone serious about riding. Sport bikes were designed to corner and track days are "school" for street riding. You don't have to worry about anything but your own riding. You will see big improvements in a short amount of time. Just be prepared to get addicted to it!!!
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Normally, I would be inclined to agree with you (as we all know). However I have taken it upon myself to read past the drama here and note that there are some pretty significant barriers that it sounds like our friend is struggling to overcome and perhaps those things can be addressed in this thread instead of dismissed. Isn't that what this thread is about? Support?

Red: I can understand where you are coming from. I can't apologize on behalf of this forum if you have taken any offense to anything you've read here because we were all purely responding to the information we've been given. But you are welcome to contribute and participate in this forum as you see fit... as long as it doesn't create drama.
Agreed. Not really the place to air a relationship's dirty laundry but there are always three sides to every story (his, hers and the truth ) and hearing this does shed more light on some of the more underlying issues Meg is having...which will ultimately only lead to her improving her skills

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The sooner you program your mind to believe that, the better off you will be. But that isn't going to be enough and you must also reprogram your muscle memory, because often times we react before we have time to process what is going on. There have been SO many times when I have come into a corner hot and my hand didn't want to let go of the brake. I have literally, on several occasions, had to yell at myself to "let go of the fucking brake!" And I'm not the only one who does it, most of the very experienced amateur racers I know have the same experiences at times. It is counter intuitive and as such, the instinct is residual, even as you progress.
I definitely talk myself in/out of habits while riding. "Let go of the brake" "calm down and breathe" "where's your weight, watch your line", etc. Talking through things both good and bad helps me remember things and stay focused. I think this is a great tactic for all riders, not just new ones
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I am Melissa, 44 (in a couple weeks), started riding at 5 on a honda 50 dirt bike and rode dirt/street on enduros until I was 24. Took a 17 year break and then I bought a ninja 250, 6 months later bought a ninja 650, a year after that got an sv650 for my track bike, just sold that and got a zx6r as my new track bike. I ride track and backroads. Long straights bore me, but I understand it's fun to go fast...I get it. For me it's all about the curves though.

I have had not had a problem with support from people as for my riding, however I do see a lack of support for some others who are looked upon as not serious about riding in this area. There are men and women alike who ride for all the wrong reasons. It's obvious in how they ride and the lack of gear they wear. But at least here in St. Louis, when you prove you are serious about riding, everyone supports each other.
Do I have certain individuals that just "don't get it"? Definitely!!! But then again, I don't understand why people watch sports. To me it's not fun to watch, I want to do it! But that's their passion and more power to them, just don't ask me to sit there and be bored and watch too. LOL!
I do hope you find others to ride with. I definitely recommend a track day for anyone serious about riding. Sport bikes were designed to corner and track days are "school" for street riding. You don't have to worry about anything but your own riding. You will see big improvements in a short amount of time. Just be prepared to get addicted to it!!!
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I definitely talk myself in/out of habits while riding. "Let go of the brake" "calm down and breathe" "where's your weight, watch your line", etc. Talking through things both good and bad helps me remember things and stay focused. I think this is a great tactic for all riders, not just new ones
I've done, and do the same.

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... I would also like to invite other members to share their own experiences with overcoming barriers as well. The panic braking is probably one of the most common and most dangerous riding flaws that new riders contend with. It has a lot to do with a lot of different things but mostly it's psychology. It is the illusion that the brakes (like in a car) will stop you when you get into a jam. Unfortunately, a car has 4 wheels and can support itself in a corner. Bikes on the other hand, don't have that luxury, and by their very nature require gyroscopic forces generated by forward motion to keep them stable when they are leaned over. Therefore, on a motorcycle, brakes in a corner = BAD .

The sooner you program your mind to believe that, the better off you will be. But that isn't going to be enough and ...
I just want to weight in quickly on this braking thing and maybe expand on what RoseY said...

The problem that many of us have, unlike Melissa, is we started driving before riding and/or are perhaps more familiar with four wheeled vehicle dynamics. You can't ride a bike like ur driving a car
When u get in trouble on a bike ..the throttle is ur friend..most times

Case in point...I saw a guy the other day riding center lane behind some car , I was behind him staggered, anyway when came to a red light and he stopped in the middle of the lane, pretty close to the center of some guys bumper.

So I pull up beside him , said hello nice bike etc
I asked him wtf he's gonna do if that car were to stop short? It would be difficult to swerve and even if he manged to brake in time, he risks takin it up the ass
Even sitting there at the red light ....he's failed to leave himself a way out 'in case shit'

I told him each and every cager around us wants to kill him...then I reminded him that center lane is where all the oil , coolant , and rdm shit collects ...so be on one side of the lane or the other

Basically almost everything abt the way the way a car operates is different form a bike, so ur reactions and actions have to be different

U gotta be diff in every area:
Acceleration
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Cornering
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...sry guys I tried to keep it short
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Agreed. Not really the place to air a relationship's dirty laundry but there are always three sides to every story (his, hers and the truth ) and hearing this does shed more light on some of the more underlying issues Meg is having...which will ultimately only lead to her improving her skills



I definitely talk myself in/out of habits while riding. "Let go of the brake" "calm down and breathe" "where's your weight, watch your line", etc. Talking through things both good and bad helps me remember things and stay focused. I think this is a great tactic for all riders, not just new ones
I go thru a variation of this..

I think abt all the technique tips tricks, I've read and studied
I think a lot abt twist of the wrist...sr's and rolling on the throttle, not chopping the throttle when u have that oh shit moment ....I chop it anyway

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Ok here are my honest answers!

Let me ask you this:

1. What do you feel are your biggest weaknesses when you are riding?

-My biggest weakness is cornering, but all in all I need experience with every part. Where do I enter a corner? How fast should I be going when I enter? When do I start to roll on the throttle out of the corner?

2. How do you feel when you are on the bike? For instance: does it feel too heavy? Does it feel unmanageable? Does it feel like you don't have any control?

-I feel good on the bike. It feels comfortable, it doesn't feel heavy, and I do feel in control.

Are you afraid of it?
-No, but I do respect it.

3. What goes through your mind when you enter into a corner, honestly? Don't answer with what you SHOULD be thinking. Answer with what you do think (if you can remember). And this goes for all of your falls, crashes, and drops.

- I'm always concerned with how fast I'm going entering a corner. If I'm riding with others I try to mirror their placement in the corner. I have no confidence entering a corner. The first time I went down I knew I was in trouble because I felt like I was going to fast and didn't know what to do so I just grabbed my brake. The second time I went down I really thought everything was ok. I do that turn everytime I ride, sometimes more than once when I ride. I'm not really sure what happened the second time to be honest. I remember feeling my rear tire slide and I thought "uh oh" and then before I knew it I was watching my bike slide

4. How many times, and when, do you look down at your speedo when you are riding?

-Oh man...constantly. I think what gear am I in? How fast am I going? I ALWAYS look down before entering a corner. I'm being honest here If it's a slow corner I'm always checking what gear I'm in before going into it.

5. Where and when do you feel the most confident (e.g., going in a straight line, making left hand turns, right hand turns, sweeping turns, coming into corners, exiting corners, etc.)?

-I feel most confident going in a straight line lol. I also feel confident exiting corners, and that's about it. Anything to do with a corner I don't feel confident. I'm aware of this feeling, and that's why I was hoping to do a track day. I have been emailing a track instructor about a track day. My biggest fear is that I would get to the track day, and I would be laughed off the track because I have no experience. The track instructor has made me feel like that wouldn't be the case at all, that their purpose is to help people like me.

I just want to learn and be a good rider, and I am perfectly capable of doing that.
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This is the best attitude that you can possibly have. I'm going to let people who know how to explain these things do their thing, especially MoM. She writes with a clarity rarely seen outside a classroom!

What I will say helped me out a ton is finding the right person to learn with. I didn't have that many friends that ride when I started so I just asked a friend with a cruiser to tool around town with for a while. He's been riding forever and can do some pretty cool stuff on that cruiser. Anyway, him and I would ride the same 15 minutes of twisties (not really all that twisty) over and over and over and over again. We did this literally for a couple of weeks, 2-3 times a week. We would go when there was no traffic and at first, he would ride at 20 miles an hour. We'd just pull over if traffic showed up. And I just followed him around. Each time he got his speed up a bit and if I ran wide we'd pull over and he would ask what happened and we'd fix it.

I didn't do my first group ride (more than 4 people) until I met up with people here just 9 days ago. Find one person to ride with and ride some relatively easy roads for a while. Learn Learn Learn and Learn some more, then start riding with other people. The temptation to try and keep up with a group who has more knowledge is way too high and can lead to some serious trouble.

What I love about the people on THIS site, is that I was in the back of the pack the whole time and they waited for my slow ass at every intersection!

It's all about the people you ride with.

Alright MoM, I got the touchy feely part, you hit the technical stuff!

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