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post #31 of 126 Old 10-08-2012, 10:13 AM Thread Starter
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So I'm looking at around 550-600 for the DFI and AFM? The DFI is required for the afm right? That's a lot of dough.

I know on other bikes, you can download a premade map for say slip on/ air filter. Sure it's not going to be for my exact bike, but it'll be close right? Then I can manually adjust on my laptop from there right? Use the old seat of the pants dyno.
The Z-Fi is $325 and the Z-AFM is $300, full MSRP, and sometimes you can find good deals online. And yeah you'll need the Z-Fi to use the Z-AFM, our sefl mapper doesn't interface with factory ECU's. You can make manual adjustments with your computer and trust the seat dyno if you want, but speaking from experience you sometimes end up going the wrong direction.


If you want the breakdown on fuel management systems, take some time to read this thread.
For a walk through on pulling FI Codes, check out this thread.
Questions about Flashed ECUs vs. Fuel Controllers? Try this one.
Got a Z-Fi TC System? Read This to get an idea of how it works.
Here's a link to some Kawasaki Service Manuals that I've got hosted for everyone's use.
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The Z-Fi is $325 and the Z-AFM is $300, full MSRP, and sometimes you can find good deals online. And yeah you'll need the Z-Fi to use the Z-AFM, our sefl mapper doesn't interface with factory ECU's. You can make manual adjustments with your computer and trust the seat dyno if you want, but speaking from experience you sometimes end up going the wrong direction.
So if i install Z-Fi and Z-AFM and let the autotune do its thing, what would happen to my gas mileage compared to stock? I just have an akra slip on. Also would i loose any torque in the low revs, like under 8k?
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You're not going to loose any bottom end torque, unless you remove the exhaust valve. Looking over our slip-on map I'd say your gas millage shouldn't be affected that much. Our map has both positive and negative fuel changes throughout, but they stay within 10% for the most part.


If you want the breakdown on fuel management systems, take some time to read this thread.
For a walk through on pulling FI Codes, check out this thread.
Questions about Flashed ECUs vs. Fuel Controllers? Try this one.
Got a Z-Fi TC System? Read This to get an idea of how it works.
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I've found a lot of really good information in this thread, so thank you EvilTwin. I'm planning on getting a 2013 zx6r, and I know there's nothing out for it yet, but I was wondering how you think the new Z-FI will work with it? Specifically, since it comes with traction control and different power modes, would you lose that functionality or would it just tune for the highest power setting then decrease it incrementally? Just something I'd like to find out about before I go crazy with mods after I get it (probably looking at about 4-6 months though before I trade in my Ninja 650).
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I only have one question on this. I dont have access to a dyno, thats local to me anyways. How do I see these adjustments if I cant hook my laptop up to it as Im running thru the different throttle percents and etc.? Does it log as I ride, then I could plug into computer and see all the adjustments I need to make? I am assuming it is similar to my HP Tuners software. I do all my logging out on the streets or wherever, then upload the info on the computer, make the changes, then flash back to the car.

I was just watching some youtube vids on this and they were all on the dyno. Just making sure Im thinking straight here. Im kinda leaning towards picking this Bazzaz system up in spring instead of the pcv now.

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The Z-AFM logs no matter if you're hooked up watching it gather data or not. You can put it in data collection mode, disconnect from the computer, and go ride. When you come back, you'll re-connect, retrieve the data, and then apply the changes. So in the videos it shows the operator clicking the "Track Operating Point" box, you won't need to do that, it's only used when you'll be watching the screen while operating the bike, like on the dyno.


If you want the breakdown on fuel management systems, take some time to read this thread.
For a walk through on pulling FI Codes, check out this thread.
Questions about Flashed ECUs vs. Fuel Controllers? Try this one.
Got a Z-Fi TC System? Read This to get an idea of how it works.
Here's a link to some Kawasaki Service Manuals that I've got hosted for everyone's use.
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OK, thats what I thought. Just need to save up for this now!

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Another question here; So I only get the map that comes with this module correct? And the only way to change it is to get the Z-AFM?

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Yes the module only comes with one map. However you always have the ability to manually modify that map however you want; the only way to have the system build you a custom map based on the AFR reading in your exhaust, is to get the Z-AFM. You also have the option to upload different maps if you have map files on you computer.


If you want the breakdown on fuel management systems, take some time to read this thread.
For a walk through on pulling FI Codes, check out this thread.
Questions about Flashed ECUs vs. Fuel Controllers? Try this one.
Got a Z-Fi TC System? Read This to get an idea of how it works.
Here's a link to some Kawasaki Service Manuals that I've got hosted for everyone's use.
And please check out my blog for more sage advice and technical ramblings.
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How or where could you get other maps?

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Either you make them, or you find someone who has a map and will share the file with you.


If you want the breakdown on fuel management systems, take some time to read this thread.
For a walk through on pulling FI Codes, check out this thread.
Questions about Flashed ECUs vs. Fuel Controllers? Try this one.
Got a Z-Fi TC System? Read This to get an idea of how it works.
Here's a link to some Kawasaki Service Manuals that I've got hosted for everyone's use.
And please check out my blog for more sage advice and technical ramblings.
Some basics about braking here.
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installed last week the Bazzaz FM w/ QS, and TC, and AFM. put in the O2, and ready to tune...(trackday not until 2 weeks)

instructions could have been a touch better (bigger pics, LOL) other than that everything went fairly smooth. Not many mounting options on the 09 zx6r, but i think i found a spot behind the coolant resivor that will keep it out of harms way (excluding heat)




Q. anyone have a tune to try for: gutted headers, Akrapovic slipon w/ midpipe, K&N race filter? want to try one out just to see what it feels like before i take it to the track.
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Very good post !! I enjoyed reading this a lot. I was going to get a Bazzaz Z-Fi.Qs anyway (if I get the 2010 ZX6R) but this confirms it for me.

Only thing is, I want to get a Racefit Growler slip on with link pipe (collector box eliminator) and as it offers barely a sniff of airflow restriction will it the engine less smooth and I would really benefit from the Bazzaz unit? I will hold off gutting the headers until I get one of these though that's for sure !!
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I'm not familiar with that exhaust, but it seems like it's probably similar to the M4. If the stock cat is still in place, then the need for a fuel controller isn't as much as when you have a full system. However, even on my street bike which only has a slip-on, the improvement in throttle response and over all smoothness was quite noticeable.


If you want the breakdown on fuel management systems, take some time to read this thread.
For a walk through on pulling FI Codes, check out this thread.
Questions about Flashed ECUs vs. Fuel Controllers? Try this one.
Got a Z-Fi TC System? Read This to get an idea of how it works.
Here's a link to some Kawasaki Service Manuals that I've got hosted for everyone's use.
And please check out my blog for more sage advice and technical ramblings.
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It gains 5bhp (dyno proven) compared to 4bhp from the M4 if that helps? The main thing really is that you wouldn't say its vital to have a Bazzaz just for a slip-on although it is adviseable? At least I don't have to save up a pot of £800+

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