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post #46 of 126 Old 11-19-2012, 12:47 PM Thread Starter
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It gains 5bhp (dyno proven) compared to 4bhp from the M4 if that helps? The main thing really is that you wouldn't say its vital to have a Bazzaz just for a slip-on although it is adviseable? At least I don't have to save up a pot of £800+

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Correct, you're not going to cause any damage by running your bike with a slip-on and no fuel controller, but you may notice some loss in performance in the low and mid ranges, depends on the pipe.


If you want the breakdown on fuel management systems, take some time to read this thread.
For a walk through on pulling FI Codes, check out this thread.
Questions about Flashed ECUs vs. Fuel Controllers? Try this one.
Got a Z-Fi TC System? Read This to get an idea of how it works.
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Correct, you're not going to cause any damage by running your bike with a slip-on and no fuel controller, but you may notice some loss in performance in the low and mid ranges, depends on the pipe.
How about running the bike with stock headers and prechamber only? no slip on ? it shouldn't cause damage but i assume i would experience even a greater power loss at low + mid range rpm?

having said that yes I am getting a bazzaz after your write up, before i even get a slip on.
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How about running the bike with stock headers and prechamber only? no slip on ? it shouldn't cause damage but i assume i would experience even a greater power loss at low + mid range rpm?

having said that yes I am getting a bazzaz after your write up, before i even get a slip on.
From my understanding running no pipe with standard headers will not cause damage BUT will cause your valves to need more frequent checks. Apart from that most engines sound hideous at idle without exhaust can and are just stupidly loud. Up to you though but there's no immediate damage as far as im aware
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How about running the bike with stock headers and prechamber only? no slip on ? it shouldn't cause damage but i assume i would experience even a greater power loss at low + mid range rpm?

having said that yes I am getting a bazzaz after your write up, before i even get a slip on.
Getting rid of pre-chamber without a slip-on, yeah it'll hurt your low end and maybe some mid. You'll still safe AFR wise, hell Kawis are usually richer than most bikes anyways, so it takes a decent amount of modding to get them into ranges that could be considered dangerous.

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From my understanding running no pipe with standard headers will not cause damage BUT will cause your valves to need more frequent checks. Apart from that most engines sound hideous at idle without exhaust can and are just stupidly loud. Up to you though but there's no immediate damage as far as im aware
No more frequent that what the manual calls for. Putting a full system on a bike doesn't make as lean as people think it does. I'm running an open header set-up on my track bike, and my fuel map takes fuel OUT in some places.


If you want the breakdown on fuel management systems, take some time to read this thread.
For a walk through on pulling FI Codes, check out this thread.
Questions about Flashed ECUs vs. Fuel Controllers? Try this one.
Got a Z-Fi TC System? Read This to get an idea of how it works.
Here's a link to some Kawasaki Service Manuals that I've got hosted for everyone's use.
And please check out my blog for more sage advice and technical ramblings.
Some basics about braking here.

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Is it worth the money to get the tc system? Right now I ride the streets pretty hard but I'm gearing up for track riding. Planning on gut the cat have an akra slip with mid pipe and a bmc filter. Also hoping to get a healtech xtre and the like. So I guess I'm asking for a recommended system. Always been a bazzaz fan lol

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My biggest question about the bazzaz (or any fuel controller right now) is for the 2013 zx6r. How does having a fuel controller affect the bike when it has different power modes? If I get a fuel controller on that bike, will I still be able to use the different power modes on the bike or will I lose that functionality?
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Is it worth the money to get the tc system? Right now I ride the streets pretty hard but I'm gearing up for track riding. Planning on gut the cat have an akra slip with mid pipe and a bmc filter. Also hoping to get a healtech xtre and the like. So I guess I'm asking for a recommended system. Always been a bazzaz fan lol
I love having TC, I crank it up in the mornings when it's cold and wet outside and my tires are cold and slippery. Honestly I don't hardly use it on the track, but I have it set up as a sort of safety net so it only come on when I absolutely need it.

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My biggest question about the bazzaz (or any fuel controller right now) is for the 2013 zx6r. How does having a fuel controller affect the bike when it has different power modes? If I get a fuel controller on that bike, will I still be able to use the different power modes on the bike or will I lose that functionality?
The power modes will continue to function as normal.
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If you want the breakdown on fuel management systems, take some time to read this thread.
For a walk through on pulling FI Codes, check out this thread.
Questions about Flashed ECUs vs. Fuel Controllers? Try this one.
Got a Z-Fi TC System? Read This to get an idea of how it works.
Here's a link to some Kawasaki Service Manuals that I've got hosted for everyone's use.
And please check out my blog for more sage advice and technical ramblings.
Some basics about braking here.
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Thanks. Lol still waiting on the write up. Sounds like something I might want. Roads are full of fine gravel where I live. Damn country ppl and their big ass trucks hahaha

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Great write up. One question that I have. If I get a dyno tune with the bazzaz z-fi, getting the bazzaz afm would be redundant, correct? Would I be able to switch between the tuned map and auto tuning?
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When you get it dyno'd the map is for the conditions on that specific day, when you use the autotune you can set it up to whatever the conditions are there and then which is better. One thing I was wondering (question for eviltwin) is when your bike is on a dyno it isn't moving obviously, but in the real world when you're doing 130 the bike is getting air pretty much shoved down its throat (might be called the ram air effect??), so does that mean the map on the dyno will be less accurate because once you get the bike off the dyno and get on the road the extra air pressure in the airbox will change the AFR?

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Great write up. One question that I have. If I get a dyno tune with the bazzaz z-fi, getting the bazzaz afm would be redundant, correct? Would I be able to switch between the tuned map and auto tuning?
Yes and no. Dyno tuning is much more comprehensive, and it gives you the ability to determine what the exact ideal AFR for your bike is. Using the Z-AFM while riding gives you the most realistic tuning, since your bike is operating under real world circumstances. Our Z-AFM is not an auto tuner, per se, it's a fuel mapper. The Z-AFM operates more like a data acquisition sysytem, it logs data while you ride, then you go back in and review the data before applying the recommended changes. This gives the user absolute control over what goes into their fuel map.
It's not really necessary to continually tune your fuel map, your bike's atmospheric sensors do a fairly adequate job of keeping the fueling consistent with pressure and temperature changes. I can ride all weekend, from sea level, up through the mountains, into the high desert, and then up some more mountains, and I never notice a performance change in my bike. I re-map about 4-5 times a year, seasonally, but only b/c I have the z-afm and I can. The biggest advantage is for track riders and racers, it is much more essential for them to re-map at every track, since they are in the hunt for hundredths of seconds off their lap times. Street riders aren't going to notice the difference most of the time, as long as they have a good base map to start with.

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When you get it dyno'd the map is for the conditions on that specific day, when you use the autotune you can set it up to whatever the conditions are there and then which is better. One thing I was wondering (question for eviltwin) is when your bike is on a dyno it isn't moving obviously, but in the real world when you're doing 130 the bike is getting air pretty much shoved down its throat (might be called the ram air effect??), so does that mean the map on the dyno will be less accurate because once you get the bike off the dyno and get on the road the extra air pressure in the airbox will change the AFR?

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You are absolutely correct, and this is something that is often overlooked; ram air effects do change the fueling requirements in a tune. Most dynos either do not have a ram air simulator or it is a fixed speed system, which is still inaccurate. Our dyno has a ram air simulator that can produce wind speeds that mimic up to 170mph of real world ram air effects. This feature combined with our incredibly smart and accurate load cell, which can apply progressive drag that mimics wind drag, gives me the ability to make maps that are damn near spot on to real riding conditions.


If you want the breakdown on fuel management systems, take some time to read this thread.
For a walk through on pulling FI Codes, check out this thread.
Questions about Flashed ECUs vs. Fuel Controllers? Try this one.
Got a Z-Fi TC System? Read This to get an idea of how it works.
Here's a link to some Kawasaki Service Manuals that I've got hosted for everyone's use.
And please check out my blog for more sage advice and technical ramblings.
Some basics about braking here.

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Great write-up !!!
I have run PC3usb on my litre twin racebikes (TL1000R and a heavily-modded RC51), and really was not overly impressed.

Last season I started on a modern 600... a 2012 ZX6R... and installed a Bazzaz Z Fi-TC and Z-AFM system (though I never did use the TC part). I did the installation myself and marvelled that Bazzaz made such a complete system that included separate wiring looms to parallel the OEM loom; this is unlike PC where you just have a module that plugs in.

The engine was broken in on the test day before my first race, and I was auto-tuning right from day 1. It was great! Easy to do, and I did that for a few weekends while breaking in the engine. I could even remap when I changed to MR12 race fuel, to get the most benefit.

Mid-season I dyno'd the bike and found it had 114rwhp on a stock engine (no work done) on 91 pump fuel.

Now that I am converting that bike back to street, I will be keeping the Z Fi and Z-AFM systems but not using a QS or TC.

Many thanks, Bazzaz, for making a great system!

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Great write-up !!!
I have run PC3usb on my litre twin racebikes (TL1000R and a heavily-modded RC51), and really was not overly impressed.

Last season I started on a modern 600... a 2012 ZX6R... and installed a Bazzaz Z Fi-TC and Z-AFM system (though I never did use the TC part). I did the installation myself and marvelled that Bazzaz made such a complete system that included separate wiring looms to parallel the OEM loom; this is unlike PC where you just have a module that plugs in.

The engine was broken in on the test day before my first race, and I was auto-tuning right from day 1. It was great! Easy to do, and I did that for a few weekends while breaking in the engine. I could even remap when I changed to MR12 race fuel, to get the most benefit.

Mid-season I dyno'd the bike and found it had 114rwhp on a stock engine (no work done) on 91 pump fuel.

Now that I am converting that bike back to street, I will be keeping the Z Fi and Z-AFM systems but not using a QS or TC.

Many thanks, Bazzaz, for making a great system!
I'm also considering switching from PC to Bazzaz for the street. Keep us updated. I follow your pics on FB
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