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post #16 of 411 Old 10-23-2012, 08:53 AM
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I should have mentioned this with the other post - I don't have anything against Lucas in particular, it's just that I don't agree with the use of oil additives in general. Most oil companies are huge and if they thought the aftermarket additives available would be good for their oils, they would have either developed the additives themselves or bought out the company that makes the additive.

Here's an article we have on the website about oil additives that gives a good description of why we don't recommend them.

http://www.opieoils.co.uk/pdfs/tech-...-additives.pdf

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Great, thanks for the read Tim!

Seems like the thickener like a Lucas additive will just end up in the filter and end up thickening the oil past optimal running conditions. Good to have some background here.

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I really don't get the point of that product. It makes the oil really thick, so why not just start with a really thick oil? They gave us a little demo tool thing that shows how well the oil stabiliser makes the oil cling to gears, and it's good in that sense, but it also shows how it affects the oil in other ways. If you lay the thing down at an angle, the oil with the stabiliser takes ages to flow to the bottom compared to the untreated oil - that shows a low cold flow rate and I'm sure the hot flow rate would also be affected.

You're better off just using a good oil of the right viscosity in the first place.

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I agree with this, Aside from over revving the shit out of your engine,
Most stress is done at startup, Cold start up.
I use a 5W40 year round.

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You've got it spot on there, you lose a lot of cold start protection by thickening the oil. 5w-40 is a good option and 5w-40s tend to be a little bit better quality than a 10w-40, although there aren't that many bike 5w-40s.

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Well now I guess we can delete all 1000 other oil threads. Lol

This should be fun.
Maybe since our new oil guy has no skin in the game (US oil market)
we can get em to give us an honest "none-biased" opinion of the oils that "are" on the US market?

Such as RedLine, Amsoil, Mobil 1, Shell T-6,??

What about it oil man?

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Maybe since our new oil guy has no skin in the game (US oil market)
we can get em to give us an honest "none-biased" opinion of the oils that "are" on the US market?

Such as RedLine, Amsoil, Mobil 1, Shell T-6,??

What about it oil man?
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I've got Castrol RS 4t. 10w-40. Will my bike blow up?
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Hi Oilman. This is really good timing because tomorrow im having a new (to me) gearbox and clutch put in my bike, so i guess this is the perfect time to switch oils as it will be completely empty

You can see all details of the bike in my signature. Its also at 22,xxx miles. Bike is thrashed literally every day, even if its only on the short journey to work. Dont worry, i dont do anything silly like rag the life out of it when its cold! Temp is normally about 65c this time of year. Have no idea what oil's in it now, it was changed at my local kawi dealer earlier this year. My main question is do i want to change to full synthetic or anything like that?? I really know nothing about different oils. Only hard road riding at the moment but i will be doing track days next year, and im not trying to sound like an arsehole, but i couldnt see me riding much, if any harder on the track anyway. I work shifts and see a whole lot of empty roads...

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Hi Oilman, is there a forum that you're not on. You pop up on every forum I have been on since 2003 lol.

What oil do you recommend for a 2010 zx6r used on track. As an instructor I cover slowest of the novices to keeping up with the fastest of the fast group. I also do track days in the UK in December and Spain in the summer.

I am using Putoline Nanotech 10w40 and change it after every 5th day, and the filter every 10th day. I do about 150-200 miles a day.

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What are your feelings on kendall / brad penn racing oil??

the local shop here runs it in all their shop bikes and stand by it, so in turn it is what I put in mine. I have never had an issue.

I did swap some repsol in one time I picked up from cycle gear and i kept popping out of 2nd, after I swapped the brad penn back in never had anotehr issue with 2nd popping out.


I ride hard, and change oil every 3k - 3500 mi.
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What are your thoughts on Schaeffers Super 707 racing oil?

I picked up 2whp over Amsoil with Schaeffers and I have seen a Porsche GT3 Cup have similar results with the 705 oil.

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Maybe since our new oil guy has no skin in the game (US oil market)
we can get em to give us an honest "none-biased" opinion of the oils that "are" on the US market?

Such as RedLine, Amsoil, Mobil 1, Shell T-6,??

What about it oil man?
Some things I can give my opinions on, other times companies get a little annoyed and threaten legal action (although I haven't been sued so far) and I would rather avoid that kind of hassle for a while.

Redline are great oils- full synthetic, ester based and I know we'd sell huge amounts if it wasn't for the pack sizes/pricing. Their gear oils are some of the best available, although not a lot of use to you guys.

Amsoil - Another good one. All their stuff is fully synthetic and like Redline, we'd sell loads if it wasn't for pack sizes and prices.

Mobil, Shell and Castrol - They make a whole range of oils, from basic to very good, you get what you pay for pretty much, easily available too. Perhaps they are a bit expensive depending on where you buy them. I think Mobil use ester in some of the US oils, making them a very good option. From what I have been told (so not sure if there is much truth in it), some of the US oils from those companies aren't the same or as good as the European versions, although I don't know if that applies to the bike oils.

I can't really discuss a lot of oils out of the US as there are a few I can't be very complimentary about (although there are a few that are good). It's because of the American general attitude to oil - buy cheap and change often. That means there are probably more mineral oils on the market than synthetics and even if a mineral oil is changed on a regular basis, a synthetic will give better protection, even if the service interval is a lot longer. A mineral oil might be fine with a big old lazy V8, but when you are revving a bike engine hard, you want to use something better.

Something that seems to come up on a regular basis with American oils is a high ZDDP content, and very little else is mentioned about the oil. Yes, you want some ZDDP to help with protection, but there are other ways (like synthetic basestocks and esters) that will give better protection than a mineral.

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What are your thoughts on Schaeffers Super 707 racing oil?

I picked up 2whp over Amsoil with Schaeffers and I have seen a Porsche GT3 Cup have similar results with the 705 oil.
It's not something that I'm familiar with so I've had a look at their data sheet.

http://www.schaefferoil.com/cmss_fil...707%20Logo.pdf

What concerns me is that a lot of the figures seem to cover a large band (like the viscosity at 100C can be 16.5-20.00cSt). To me that shows the oil you'd get isn't very consistent - with one service you might get some that is 16.5cSt at 100C and give you an increase in bhp, next time it might be 20cSt and you end up with less power than before. That explains the power increase you got compared to the Amsoil as they state 20.1cSt at 100C, so it could be that the Super 707 that you have is a lot thinner. In fact, an oil that is 16.5cSt at 100C is pretty close to a SAE40 anyway.

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What are your feelings on kendall / brad penn racing oil??

the local shop here runs it in all their shop bikes and stand by it, so in turn it is what I put in mine. I have never had an issue.

I did swap some repsol in one time I picked up from cycle gear and i kept popping out of 2nd, after I swapped the brad penn back in never had anotehr issue with 2nd popping out.


I ride hard, and change oil every 3k - 3500 mi.
I've not had much to do with those brands, I've heard them mentioned a few times and might have had a look at their tech details a while back, but that was about it. I can't remember anything about the Kendall, but if I remember correctly, Brad Penn make some decent oils.

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I've got Castrol RS 4t. 10w-40. Will my bike blow up?

It's a good oil and will be fine, no need to worry about that one.

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