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Yes. Relfashing I assume means putting new bios/os on the ECU... so where does the new software/bios/os/rom/whatever come from? That is if you DIY...
Right now reflashing si something you have to send your ECU out to get done. No one offers a DIY reflash kit, at least not that I've seen. Except Triumph kinda; with TuneECU anyone can modify the parameters in their OEM Triumph ECU.


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Ahhh…the cable isn't for flashing it's for tuning the kit ecu. Kawasaki charge $600 for one.
Wether you buy kit ecu, Bazz, PC3 you're always better off getting a custom map. Factor that onto the price of your choice and kit ecu's are good value.
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Ive been told he kit ecu for '09 up zx6's only allow a rev limit increase of 300 revs, which for us, does us no good for a LOT of money.
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Ive been told he kit ecu for '09 up zx6's only allow a rev limit increase of 300 revs, which for us, does us no good for a LOT of money.
I believe it's more than 500, I will be able to confirm that in a few weeks.

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Ive been told he kit ecu for '09 up zx6's only allow a rev limit increase of 300 revs, which for us, does us no good for a LOT of money.
Does Kawasaki a lot of good on the track, though.
It ups the rev limit 500rpm.
What zx6 engines you tune grape?
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Right now reflashing si something you have to send your ECU out to get done. No one offers a DIY reflash kit, at least not that I've seen. Except Triumph kinda; with TuneECU anyone can modify the parameters in their OEM Triumph ECU.
i believe bmw does for the s1000 i mean the have an option you can buy comes with a laptop type thing to adjust the race ecu it down loads all the info off the bike after you ride it and shows you what was going on where. i do have a queastion for you Mr. Twin. i went to the service dept to listen to some exhaust and the gentleman there said that ALL this stuff is now illegal in ca. and that the cops are gonna seriously crack down on any after market fuel managment systems exhaust the whole 9. he also said that a bazzaz could only be purchased if you had an ama race licence he also said another accronym just don't remember it. is that true? are the fuel managment systems easy to find? thank you for your time and the info you provided.
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Any thread by you is always worth a read !! Spot on stuff mate..

A quick question (hopefully)... What sort of powergains can you expect from flashed ecu, piggyback, kit ecu and the different combinations you can make with these? I hope my question makes sense to you haha
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Kit ecu on an 03 ZX6rr with pipe + filter on base/default map you're looking at 10hp. It's on tintrnet. About the same with more torque on an 03 636 with 05-06 636 cams (same as 03 RR kit cams, but, cheaper).

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i believe bmw does for the s1000 i mean the have an option you can buy comes with a laptop type thing to adjust the race ecu it down loads all the info off the bike after you ride it and shows you what was going on where. i do have a queastion for you Mr. Twin. i went to the service dept to listen to some exhaust and the gentleman there said that ALL this stuff is now illegal in ca. and that the cops are gonna seriously crack down on any after market fuel managment systems exhaust the whole 9. he also said that a bazzaz could only be purchased if you had an ama race licence he also said another accronym just don't remember it. is that true? are the fuel managment systems easy to find? thank you for your time and the info you provided.
Well with BMW's PC MOSS system, you can see everything going on in the bike, and a lot of what was going on while riding the bike. And you can pretty much adjust anything you want, but only dealers, and perhaps certified race teams are allowed to have those. It might be a little easier to find their old computer system these days, since they got fazed out, but they're a little harder to use, and not as in depth. BMW has a lot of cool features and toys, it was cool getting trained on them.

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Any thread by you is always worth a read !! Spot on stuff mate..

A quick question (hopefully)... What sort of powergains can you expect from flashed ecu, piggyback, kit ecu and the different combinations you can make with these? I hope my question makes sense to you haha
What Greenmeany said.


If you want the breakdown on fuel management systems, take some time to read this thread.
For a walk through on pulling FI Codes, check out this thread.
Questions about Flashed ECUs vs. Fuel Controllers? Try this one.
Got a Z-Fi TC System? Read This to get an idea of how it works.
Here's a link to some Kawasaki Service Manuals that I've got hosted for everyone's use.
And please check out my blog for more sage advice and technical ramblings.
Some basics about braking here.
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I got to talk to the founder of ECU Unleashed this weekend at the IMS, and really pick his brain about this topic. He agreed with my 100% that the best way to go it to pair a fuel controller with a flashed or race ECU. Especially when it comes to flashing, he said that the maps that are being put in the flashes are just guesses, with the exception of the R1 and R6 maps, because he worked for Graves for a number of years, and knows exactly what those bikes need. But even on the Yamahas that get a very accurate base map in the re-flash, you'll still need to re-tune every once in a while, and it's way easier to just have a fuel controller, and make the adjustments in that.


If you want the breakdown on fuel management systems, take some time to read this thread.
For a walk through on pulling FI Codes, check out this thread.
Questions about Flashed ECUs vs. Fuel Controllers? Try this one.
Got a Z-Fi TC System? Read This to get an idea of how it works.
Here's a link to some Kawasaki Service Manuals that I've got hosted for everyone's use.
And please check out my blog for more sage advice and technical ramblings.
Some basics about braking here.
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Okay it all makes sense

You say 10hp with stock map, how much can be gained with a custom map?

Thanks by the way !!
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Damn ...good thread baby...I'm still not sure there's much to be gained at the 600 level
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Okay it all makes sense

You say 10hp with stock map, how much can be gained with a custom map?

Thanks by the way !!
Custom map anything from 2-5 hp, in my experience, depending on skills of tuner. It's what a custom tune does with delivery and where + how you want it done, for max hp or street etc, that matters.

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Custom map anything from 2-5 hp, in my experience, depending on skills of tuner. It's what a custom tune does with delivery and where + how you want it done, for max hp or street etc, that matters.
Bloody hell... Upto 5bhp just from a custom map... ?! So potentially 15bhp increase for maybe £900 (racefit growler, link pipe, gutted headers, flashed ECU, bazzaz Z-Fi, custom map and air filter) plus about 6kg lost from the exhaust... Fair play i want this bike soon.. Maybe a year to modify to that level on an apprentice wage!!
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