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We have the bin files and definitions for this model ready to roll, we will be looking to implement it in the Woolich Racing Tuned software in the future based on demand, we have not had too many inquiries about this year model to date.
Yeah, it's kinda old at this point. The company I work for isn't even remotely interested in making a system for the B models, but I went ahead and made one myself since I work in R&D.


If you want the breakdown on fuel management systems, take some time to read this thread.
For a walk through on pulling FI Codes, check out this thread.
Questions about Flashed ECUs vs. Fuel Controllers? Try this one.
Got a Z-Fi TC System? Read This to get an idea of how it works.
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Nothing wrong with a bit of DIY to get the job done


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If you want the breakdown on fuel management systems, take some time to read this thread.
For a walk through on pulling FI Codes, check out this thread.
Questions about Flashed ECUs vs. Fuel Controllers? Try this one.
Got a Z-Fi TC System? Read This to get an idea of how it works.
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We are currently doing a special deal for zx6r.com forum members until the 30th of June 2013.

ECU Flashing Products - Suzuki Kawasaki Yamaha - Woolich Racing

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discount code for regular forum member is: zx6r.com

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We are currently doing a special deal for zx6r.com forum members until the 30th of June 2013.

ECU Flashing Products - Suzuki Kawasaki Yamaha - Woolich Racing

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discount code for regular forum member is: zx6r.com

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Just enter the discount code in the shopping cart and pay via paypal.com
Damn... this could have been handy for some of our members if it had been posted somewhere on the forum where people could see it. Keep us posted the next time you have this deal.
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So should i get my ecu flashed? I have a ...... hahaha jusy kidding. Answered all of my questions in post 1
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Ok so who does the zx6r ecu? I had Don @ Guhl motor sports do my 14's and damn... It was like having a new bike!!!
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Woolich Racing sell a full range of ECU Flashing products for the ZX6R that allow you to do it yourself. We have products that allow you to do basic flashing and real time engine data, up to our Log Box Products which allow you to connect a wideband o2 sensor and log data and AutoTune the fuel maps etc.

Why send it away when you can do it yourself, this allows you to made further changes whenever you want and you will know exactly what has been done to the ECU.


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Buddy and I went in on one of their kits together.... He has had his tuned I'm still waiting as I want my full exhaust and air filter on so it's just one tune.

He had great improvements on the dyno and said was really noticeable on the track. Pulled off his PC5 went with just the ECU set up. Believe he said a 5hp gain over stock ECU with PC5. Also he purchased their quick shift wire kit it meshed perfectly with dyno jet quick shifter.
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Great write up EVIL, couldn't have broke it down any better man..
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great write up my friend .. thats some very helpfull info and knowledge ...

i have one question though.. i hope you dont bother ..
is there anything that for example PCV or Bazzaz can do, that you cant do it on the Race ECU ? Μy logic and as far as i know a fuel management system sends it's ''tunes'' to the ECU so they can be applied on the bike .. so the same parameters that the fuel system tunes and changes exist in the ECU right? so why would someone need an additional fuel managemnt system? sorry if my question is idiotic its just a rational question in my head and because i went today to arrange having my bike tuned and the owner of the dynoshop told me '' why would you pay extra cash for the fuel management system when i can do the same exact things in your stock ECU and more.''
sorry if my english are bad. thank you
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great write up my friend .. thats some very helpfull info and knowledge ...

i have one question though.. i hope you dont bother ..
is there anything that for example PCV or Bazzaz can do, that you cant do it on the Race ECU ? Μy logic and as far as i know a fuel management system sends it's ''tunes'' to the ECU so they can be applied on the bike .. so the same parameters that the fuel system tunes and changes exist in the ECU right? so why would someone need an additional fuel managemnt system? sorry if my question is idiotic its just a rational question in my head and because i went today to arrange having my bike tuned and the owner of the dynoshop told me '' why would you pay extra cash for the fuel management system when i can do the same exact things in your stock ECU and more.''
sorry if my english are bad. thank you
I'm no expert, but I think the difference is per what EvilTwin mentioned, for ECU reflash, it's a one time setting and the variables are approximated, if you need a re-tune later on, then they will need to re-flash the ECU again. That's where the fuel management controller comes into play, being able to be adjusted, some have auto-tune modules, and even multiple fuel map storage which can be loaded/activated.

If I'm mistaken my apologies.
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great write up my friend .. thats some very helpfull info and knowledge ...

i have one question though.. i hope you dont bother ..
is there anything that for example PCV or Bazzaz can do, that you cant do it on the Race ECU ? Μy logic and as far as i know a fuel management system sends it's ''tunes'' to the ECU so they can be applied on the bike .. so the same parameters that the fuel system tunes and changes exist in the ECU right? so why would someone need an additional fuel managemnt system? sorry if my question is idiotic its just a rational question in my head and because i went today to arrange having my bike tuned and the owner of the dynoshop told me '' why would you pay extra cash for the fuel management system when i can do the same exact things in your stock ECU and more.''
sorry if my english are bad. thank you
You're right, everything you can do with a Z-FI (except TC) you can do in a race ecu, plus a few options. The only draw back is that often times race ECUs aren't as easy to tune with. For example stock O2 sensors are narrow band not wide band, so they can't be used to gather AFR data with which to build or modify a map. So you can manually adjust fueling on a race ECU, but you don't have an option for running an auto tuner like add on.
Z-Fi's are much easier to use than a race ecu, if slightly more limited in their adjustment capabilities.


If you want the breakdown on fuel management systems, take some time to read this thread.
For a walk through on pulling FI Codes, check out this thread.
Questions about Flashed ECUs vs. Fuel Controllers? Try this one.
Got a Z-Fi TC System? Read This to get an idea of how it works.
Here's a link to some Kawasaki Service Manuals that I've got hosted for everyone's use.
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Some basics about braking here.
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Having both the ECU flash software/harness and Bazzaz with tuning of 2 ZX6R race bikes to my credit I want to mention 1 more factor and that is ZX6R tuning knowledge. There seems to be tremendous available knowledge and maps for the R6 but the ZX6R comes in far short.

I found mistakes in the flash maps offered by 1 well known vendor, and they admitted that not 1 of their racers is actually using the ECU flash capability for fueling. Everyone was using a fuel controller. So although I had set out to do all the tuning in the flash software, I later changed my mind and added Bazzaz for fueling. It still took about 6 hours on the dyno after stripping the restrictions, EPA crap, and changing the STP's to get a tune I was happy with.

Now I have a nice developed Bazzaz map and am thinking about converting values into the ECU flash. I've been "thinking" about doing that for 6 months now
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