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Anyone have a PCV map for 2013 zx-6r leo vince slip-on?

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Hey folks - Just installed a Leo Vince Factory R EVO II Slip-On with mid-pipe and have a PCV installed. Going to get it tuned when I can get an appointment that fits in with my work schedule. Hoping they can rid me of the annoying on-off throttle response my bike has between 0-5% throttle in the 3k to 7k RPM range. That happened with stock and my previous 2bros setup.

As a temporary measure I was looking at the Dynojet website for a map and they have only graves and 2bros maps for the 2013. For 2012 the only maps they have for Leo Vince are full exhaust (wish I'd done full in retrospect).

I know every bike it different, but does anyone have this setup and have a map they can share with me?

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Seems nobody has this setup with a map I can borrow.

I called Power Commander today to express my disappointment that they did not have a map available for Leo Vince slip-on for the 2013 (only have 2bros and graves... lame). They told me that the 2bros would be a good fit for my setup. I'm not convinced and won't bother. Does that seem shady or is it just me?

Was able to get an appt with the tuner on Friday. Can't wait.

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Dude.. It's a slip on

This has been tackled many many many times

Unless you have gutted your stock headers you don't even need the PCV.

The throttle being choppy won't be cured by a PCV you might as well get block off plates if your taking it to a tuner. It might help with the choppiness as well.
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Block off plates mod was handled last night in anticipation of the dyno tune.

With a tune I'm looking for rideability, not performance gains. Otherwise, I would have spent $1,000 more on a full ti system. For every 2 people that say a tune isn't needed when pre-chamber and stock silencer are replaced with a pipe and slip-on 5 people say it is. I think the naysayers think it's not needed because there is not much HP to gain and those in favor are looking for rideability (or are looking for performance gains that exceed what is possible). I'm in the rideability camp, but I already stated that.

While Kawi dealer says my choppy throttle is within spec, I've taken a spin on 2 other 2013's and they both are smooth as hell compared to mine. Note: This inspection by the dealer took place with bone stock setup.

So I'm a little desperate to try the tune option, which a reputable tuner says he can fix or it's half off. He has already run the bike on a dyno fun run, of which the cost will be deducted from the tune, and feels good about correcting the problem. Hell, I'll settle for a 30% improvement. If not, I'll either take a last ditch effort with woolrich ECU flash or ditch the bike and say goodbye to Kawi.

Anyway... I don't know where/how my specific situation has been tackled as many times as you state... and I did use the search function. Just trust that I'll either rub it in your face if you're wrong or take my lumps for a failed attempt at happiness if nothing changes.

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For every 2 people that say a tune isn't needed when pre-chamber and stock silencer are replaced with a pipe and slip-on 5 people say it is.
I'd take 2 educated people over 5 idiots any day

You don't need to dyno a slipon - not gonna hurt anything though so all the power to ya

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Actually he's not all wrong, he has removed the pre chamber so I would say the PCV is a good idea. If the he didn't have a link pipe and still had the pre chamber in place than for sure I would say it's not necessary.

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He's still got the cat in his headers tho..

At least knock the cat out in prep for the dyno, you'll probably see a bigger improvement vs. the current setup.

OP: if you were going for rideability an ECU flash might have helped you more. The flash will remove the fuel cutoff on deceleration (the on/off switch you were mentioning)
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Block off plates mod was handled last night in anticipation of the dyno tune.

With a tune I'm looking for rideability, not performance gains. Otherwise, I would have spent $1,000 more on a full ti system. For every 2 people that say a tune isn't needed when pre-chamber and stock silencer are replaced with a pipe and slip-on 5 people say it is. I think the naysayers think it's not needed because there is not much HP to gain and those in favor are looking for rideability (or are looking for performance gains that exceed what is possible). I'm in the rideability camp, but I already stated that.

While Kawi dealer says my choppy throttle is within spec, I've taken a spin on 2 other 2013's and they both are smooth as hell compared to mine. Note: This inspection by the dealer took place with bone stock setup.

So I'm a little desperate to try the tune option, which a reputable tuner says he can fix or it's half off. He has already run the bike on a dyno fun run, of which the cost will be deducted from the tune, and feels good about correcting the problem. Hell, I'll settle for a 30% improvement. If not, I'll either take a last ditch effort with woolrich ECU flash or ditch the bike and say goodbye to Kawi.

Anyway... I don't know where/how my specific situation has been tackled as many times as you state... and I did use the search function. Just trust that I'll either rub it in your face if you're wrong or take my lumps for a failed attempt at happiness if nothing changes.

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A slipon is a muffler. A muffler changes the sound.

You're not really changing any important dynamic of the exhaust. That doesn't require a tune.

Are you removing the pre-chamber and replacing it with a link pipe? Your posts haven't been very clear about this.


If you want a tune just to get one, it's your bike. I wouldn't recommend it on a brand new bike. If your new bike isn't very "rideable", that sounds like a problem your local dealer should be taking care of.
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Sandman - I was very clear about removal of mid-pipe. Mentioned it in both of my posts above. Smokey11 reiterated it, too. Not sure how this was not clear, but I'll pay more attention to how clearly I'm communicating in the future.

Dyno tune was performed last Friday. Bike is much smoother with noticeably more oomph at roll-on in the power band at or above highway speeds. This past weekend I was hitting turns in the twisties around 10mph faster given the added confidence I have in the bike. I'm having a much easier time keeping up with my riding buddy now with much less concentration/effort. Completely different experience from one weekend to the next.

I'm glad I did not listen to those that said the tune was ill advised. Going into it a moderate HP gain was a plus, but was looking for rideability. Both have been achieved, for me. I know the full system purists would not be happy until they gained 4 more HP, and I respect that.

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Prior to taking the bike into the shop with stock pipe/mid-chamber, I was running a 2bros slip-on. This was the setup I had when I did my initial fun run to evaluate if the tuner could fix the problem (he said he could). After the dealer gave me the news that they wouldn't help I decided I would get the Leo Vince, PCV and a tune. I just wasn't happy with the 2bros crazy loud sound. I did the block off plates in advance of the tune.

The results were interesting. I had 111 hp with 2bros on the baseline with higher humidity than later runs with the Leo and block off plates configuration. The Leo baselined at 108 and was tuned up to 116. My bike didn't like the Leo without a tune and I can't explain why.

Assumed that with a typical 111-112hp found on a stock 2013 zx-6r that I would have achieve ~114 to 115 with either the 2bros or Leo slip-on and NO tune. I can only guess that I must have done a poor job with the break in, but I'm not an expert on reading into results.

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Sorry to tell you this but your tuner is using the STD scale which is very generous compared to a more realistic SAE scale where you are probably not putting down more than the stock numbers of 110ish.

There's a million and one ways this guy could have fudged the numbers to give you a warm and fuzzy about your ride and it sounds like he achieved this. (Had he printed out the true numbers on the SAE scale you would probably be pretty disappointed)

I would be very tempted to swap cans seeing that 111 STD hp number with the 2bros pipe. SAE scale would probably be around 105hp!

In the end you got what you wanted though, if it's much smoother than before I'd say it's a win for you
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Thanks Schooley. I wasn't aware of the topic of SAE and STD. Interesting.

I didn't go to the tuner for HP gains, though I saw any gains that might be had as a bonus.

Regardless of the poor method used to measure it seems that I did get an increase from the baseline (and one that I think I can feel on my butt dyno, but hell... maybe I'm imagining it). I didn't like the 2Bros, so even if it putting it back on would add more HP, it's not worth it to me.

I am curious why my bike had STD baselines on two different pipes that would, if roughly using your math, equate to ~100hp SAE. Stock is supposed to be 112 SAE, isn't it?

In the end, I did get a smoother ride and that's what I was after. Seems my HP is shitty now but was shittier before the tune.

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You have the right thought process, don't sweat the numbers themselves and look at the gains.. After all the dyno is a tuning device and we could talk all day and night about the different variables that effect dyno numbers.

Why your bike lost hp could be a number of things, one being the added air flow without changing the fuel could have had it running slightly lean.

In the end it's really NBD were talking about the difference of 2-3 hp. A million and one things could have been changed on the dyno itself which would give you the slight variation of hp. Hell I think even your tire pressure could effect the numbers.

Pat yourself on the back for ditching the 2 bros pipe.. Those things aren't worth their weight in shit
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i have a map, but my bike has the cat gutted

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i have a map, but my bike has the cat gutted

hey can i get a copy of your map ive gutted my cat also and added mid pipe and a shorty gp and dont have a tuner with a dyno close to me
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great topic. I am in the process of doing exactly the same things (Leo Vince and mid pipe). Thanks for sharing this.

Couple of questions

1) What block off plates did you use and where did you buy it from?
2) I am removing the pre-chamber and adding a mid pipe. However, as far as I understand the cat is in the headers. So what does gutting the cat mean? How did you do that?
Any pics?
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