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post #61 of 134 Old 12-29-2016, 10:49 AM
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That shock assuming it's the same as mine, has 15 clicks/turns of adjustability. So if you were around 12, and you say the suspension feels good, and you were at 25 mm sag, and you also plan on losing some weight, I would say you're right about where you should be. A 110 would probably suit you better, but as you get faster and if you end up losing like 15-20 lbs, you'll be right on the money with the 105 I bet.

If I was in your shoes I'd either leave it as is or get a 110, but nothing else.
Currently at Dan Kyle and well the guy re doing my Shock( he is also a suspension tuner around here) said stick with this same shock! That the zx6r (09-up and like 07 cbr1000rr are hard to calculate because the bike and numbers don't add up lol. So I told him my concerns and what I wanted out of it and said yea don't change the shock then.

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Don't forget to measure static sag on the rear. Race sag being 25-30mm. Static sag should be approx 5-15mm. This static sag measurement will tell you if your spring is correct. Static sag of say 25mm would indicate a spring to stiff for your weight. Conversely, a static sag measurement of less than 5mm would indicate a spring that is too soft. A topped out shock will pick the wheel off the ground over the back of a bump.
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Don't forget to measure static sag on the rear. Race sag being 25-30mm. Static sag should be approx 5-15mm. This static sag measurement will tell you if your spring is correct. Static sag of say 25mm would indicate a spring to stiff for your weight. Conversely, a static sag measurement of less than 5mm would indicate a spring that is too soft. A topped out shock will pick the wheel off the ground over the back of a bump.
Yea Ima do the sag when I have my friend and gf over so they can help me out. Will be putting the rider sag at 25mm which will leave me some room to add and remove. Compression and rebound have been set to exactly what they were before so no need for adjustment there!

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Currently at Dan Kyle and well the guy re doing my Shock( he is also a suspension tuner around here) said stick with this same shock! That the zx6r (09-up and like 07 cbr1000rr are hard to calculate because the bike and numbers don't add up lol. So I told him my concerns and what I wanted out of it and said yea don't change the shock then.


My assessment was free and you didn't even have to leave your computer...just sayin'
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My assessment was free and you didn't even have to leave your computer...just sayin'
I shall honor your word from now on good sir!

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I shall honor your word from now on good sir!
Of course now I shot myself in the foot cuz I can't get that $30 spring you were gonna sell me
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Of course now I shot myself in the foot cuz I can't get that $30 spring you were gonna sell me
You know I was thinking about that hahaha. Sorry buddy lol
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You know I was thinking about that hahaha. Sorry buddy lol
That's ok, I wasn't really planning on doing this until your thread. I just figured if the opportunity was there, might as well take advantage of it. It's hard to find a used spring of exactly what you need just because there are so many options for so many different shocks. A new one is like $100 or so. I'll probably end up doing the swap after this season when I'll do a suspension refresh.
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That's ok, I wasn't really planning on doing this until your thread. I just figured if the opportunity was there, might as well take advantage of it. It's hard to find a used spring of exactly what you need just because there are so many options for so many different shocks. A new one is like $100 or so. I'll probably end up doing the swap after this season when I'll do a suspension refresh.
Yea currently I have no idea how the preload is set up or what my sag is by I can't even budge the rear like I used to haha.


Oh for anyone wanting to do their suspension the guys at Kyle Racing did my shock on like 2 hours maybe a little less. Super helpful and really nice. Even got to meet Dan Kyle himself. For those of you shipping your stuff in well I'd only assume they'd be able to get the job in and out of their shop.

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Yea currently I have no idea how the preload is set up or what my sag is by I can't even budge the rear like I used to haha.


Oh for anyone wanting to do their suspension the guys at Kyle Racing did my shock on like 2 hours maybe a little less. Super helpful and really nice. Even got to meet Dan Kyle himself. For those of you shipping your stuff in well I'd only assume they'd be able to get the job in and out of their shop.
They have a lot of inventory there. It's kinda nice to browse through the shop but I hate the feeling of wanting to buy everything
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Yea currently I have no idea how the preload is set up or what my sag is by I can't even budge the rear like I used to haha.


Oh for anyone wanting to do their suspension the guys at Kyle Racing did my shock on like 2 hours maybe a little less. Super helpful and really nice. Even got to meet Dan Kyle himself. For those of you shipping your stuff in well I'd only assume they'd be able to get the job in and out of their shop.
Yeah Dan Kyle was really helpful a couple of years ago when I emailed him about setup on my 1198. He used to be very involved with Ducati 848/1098/1198s around 2007-2011 when those models were out and had multiple write-up floating around the web on forums. But I wanted some more details and he always replied really quick with lots of helpful info. Told me basically everything I needed to know about geometry setup and suspension setup based on the parts I had and I never even bought anything from him.
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So trying to set up my riders sag number and from what you told me @sbk1198 25mm is a good number to be at(which is what my rear was at) for the rear. But is that same for the front as well? My old sag number was 1 3/8" which is roughly 32 mm.

What do you guys think? I wanna just set it up for now but will have Dave Moss doing my suspension in February at the track.

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So trying to set up my riders sag number and from what you told me @sbk1198 25mm is a good number to be at(which is what my rear was at) for the rear. But is that same for the front as well? My old sag number was 1 3/8" which is roughly 32 mm.

What do you guys think? I wanna just set it up for now but will have Dave Moss doing my suspension in February at the track.
The rule of thumb for track bikes is generally around 25-30 mm for the rear and 30-35 mm for the front, but understand that doesn't necessarily mean it's perfect. There is no magical value for sag that makes a bike optimally setup for anyone, that's just a rule of thumb that people came up with because it works well for a great deal of people. Usually those values are sort of where you want to start out and then fine tune from there. I once talked to a guy who had his 848 setup with only like 10-12 mm sag in the front...super stiff forks, but he was pretty damn fast and that's just how he liked his forks to feel.
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The rule of thumb for track bikes is generally around 25-30 mm for the rear and 30-35 mm for the front, but understand that doesn't necessarily mean it's perfect. There is no magical value for sag that makes a bike optimally setup for anyone, that's just a rule of thumb that people came up with because it works well for a great deal of people. Usually those values are sort of where you want to start out and then fine tune from there. I once talked to a guy who had his 848 setup with only like 10-12 mm sag in the front...super stiff forks, but he was pretty damn fast and that's just how he liked his forks to feel.
Yea suspension varies depending on the person is what I've learned haha. Just kinda wanted a baseline to start off with so when I go to the track I can do a couple laps and see where the bike is compared to how it used to be.

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Quick question:

When setting riders sag and the rider isn't in full gear should you leave the sag 1-2 mm higher than you want it? Say you want 25mm rear sag if the rider is in full gear, but if he is not should you leave it at 26-27mm to account for the extra 15-20 pounds of weight?

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