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post #1 of 18 Old 12-14-2016, 10:34 AM Thread Starter
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Putting on race fairings Q's

For those of you guys and galls (@Snazzy;) that have put on race fairings just wanted to hear your opinion

1)Is the cost for a full set worth it? I know I have looked up side fairing costs and roughly, the one side alone costs almost as much as a full set.

2)Is there anything you regret/miss about riding on the street? Being this is my only motorcycle, I feel like I would miss out on some riding with some MC's, and thus get less seat time. Unless there is anyone in here who swaps between the race vs. street fairings. Only other option I would think of is to get a second bike, but I don't think my bank account or fiancé would concur...my lender certainly would though.

3) How much of a PITA is to remove the plastic directly underneath the headlights? Are there any other trouble spots to remove?

4) How many rattle cans did you guys use for a full set? Or how much am I looking at getting a pro design done?

That's all I can think of for now. Looking forward to hearing your guys' wealth of knowledge and smart-ass remarks. lol

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For those of you guys and galls (@Snazzy;) that have put on race fairings just wanted to hear your opinion

1)Is the cost for a full set worth it? I know I have looked up side fairing costs and roughly, the one side alone costs almost as much as a full set.

2)Is there anything you regret/miss about riding on the street? Being this is my only motorcycle, I feel like I would miss out on some riding with some MC's, and thus get less seat time. Unless there is anyone in here who swaps between the race vs. street fairings. Only other option I would think of is to get a second bike, but I don't think my bank account or fiancé would concur...my lender certainly would though.

3) How much of a PITA is to remove the plastic directly underneath the headlights? Are there any other trouble spots to remove?

4) How many rattle cans did you guys use for a full set? Or how much am I looking at getting a pro design done?

That's all I can think of for now. Looking forward to hearing your guys' wealth of knowledge and smart-ass remarks. lol

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1) If you are going to do any track bodywork it only makes sense to do a full set.

2) If this is your only bike, do not make it a dedicated track bike. You will regret it. Just my opinion.

3) I didn't find removing any of the plastics particularly troublesome. At least I do not remember the details of removing that piece which means it cant be that bad or it would have stuck out in my mind.

4) I would guess 3? You can usually get a local painter to do it for ~$400-600 as a starting point. Alternatively you can vinyl wrap it yourself for about $150 in materials. I would do wrap over rattlecan specifically because if you spill gasoline on your rattle can tank it ruins it instantly.
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1) If you are going to do any track bodywork it only makes sense to do a full set.

2) If this is your only bike, do not make it a dedicated track bike. You will regret it. Just my opinion.

3) I didn't find removing any of the plastics particularly troublesome. At least I do not remember the details of removing that piece which means it cant be that bad or it would have stuck out in my mind.

4) I would guess 3? You can usually get a local painter to do it for ~$400-600 as a starting point. Alternatively you can vinyl wrap it yourself for about $150 in materials. I would do wrap over rattlecan specifically because if you spill gasoline on your rattle can tank it ruins it instantly.
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I tried swapping from street plastic to track fairing with my last track bike. To get a street bike prepared for the track and back took me so long that I got sick and tired of it so I just turned it into my dedicated track bike.

I've painted three sets of track fairings and each time it took me three cans of paint and three cans of clear so that's become my go to number.

I personally would lose my mind if all I could ride was track and no street. The track is when I want to go mad, the street is when I want to be one with nature during my journey. Plus I live in NYC where it is hard to find parking. The bike allows me to pull right up to my destination and leave the bike. I do not have to worry about paying the meters, or walking blocks after parking or the outrageous fees the garages charge. And it's nice to lane split with all of the traffic we have here.
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For those of you guys and galls (@Snazzy;) that have put on race fairings just wanted to hear your opinion

1)Is the cost for a full set worth it? I know I have looked up side fairing costs and roughly, the one side alone costs almost as much as a full set.

2)Is there anything you regret/miss about riding on the street? Being this is my only motorcycle, I feel like I would miss out on some riding with some MC's, and thus get less seat time. Unless there is anyone in here who swaps between the race vs. street fairings. Only other option I would think of is to get a second bike, but I don't think my bank account or fiancé would concur...my lender certainly would though.

3) How much of a PITA is to remove the plastic directly underneath the headlights? Are there any other trouble spots to remove?

4) How many rattle cans did you guys use for a full set? Or how much am I looking at getting a pro design done?

That's all I can think of for now. Looking forward to hearing your guys' wealth of knowledge and smart-ass remarks. lol

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1) Yes, go with a full set, or none at all. The race bodywork doesn't fit with the stock stuff anyway so it's full set or leave the street bodywork on.

2) This depends on the individual. Personally for me it's a big NO. I've had one bike only and after a year changed it to a dedicated track bike and never looked back. Now I have 2 bikes and they're still both race bikes lol. Yes, you do a lot less riding but for me it was always about the quality of riding not how many miles I'll do. I'll gladly sacrifice the daily commutes on a bike and instead do about a dozen or so track days in a year. I get a lot more joy out of those several days than I do out of thousands of miles of riding around town or even outside of town. I wouldn't want to deal with the hassle of swapping between track and street fairings, but I know someone that does. It can be done in about 1-2 hours depending on the bike, so it's up to you if you want to do it that way or not.

3) Don't know...never had to do it.

4) Depends on the paint job type. I'm a big fan of 2-color paint schemes. But I would say so far I've used about 3 cans of paint and 2-3 of clear coat. I too have done 3 sets so far and all 3 have been 2-color types (first one was a disaster though). If you pay someone to do it, the cost can vary greatly based on what you want. The more complex it gets, the more expensive. I've seen some people spend upwards of $1500 on a pro paint job like what you'd see in MotoAmerica...pretty much anything done by Andrew Swenson. But if you just want to paint it all one color and it's something common, then probably closer to $500-600. I can tell you I painted both my bikes at the beginning of this year for just over $400 myself. So maybe like $200 a bike. It can be done cheaper but after my first disaster I decided to spend a bit more on better quality paint and clear coat so I used Spraymax 2K clear coat and Spraymax 1K paint for the colors, which run around $25/can. The primer was cheaper, can't remember how much...but if you buy a new unpainted set you don't really need to prime it.

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This is just a suggestion, and only really applies if you can afford it. Buy dedicated track bike used and have it in addition to the bike you have. 1 for street and 1 for track. You can pick up a 250/300 for pretty cheap in the off season or go the route I did with buying a AMA rider's bike for a good price. Already has everything you need in terms of track preparation, and you might find one that has suspension work, upgraded brakes, and anything else you can think of. Just my 2cents.
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So maybe like $200 a bike. It can be done cheaper but after my first disaster I decided to spend a bit more on better quality paint and clear coat so I used Spraymax 2K clear coat and Spraymax 1K paint for the colors, which run around $25/can.
I used the Spaymax as well and paid about the same price

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This is just a suggestion, and only really applies if you can afford it. Buy dedicated track bike used and have it in addition to the bike you have. 1 for street and 1 for track. You can pick up a 250/300 for pretty cheap in the off season or go the route I did with buying a AMA rider's bike for a good price. Already has everything you need in terms of track preparation, and you might find one that has suspension work, upgraded brakes, and anything else you can think of. Just my 2cents.
I'm seeing a lot of really good priced sv650's and similar smaller track bike for around $1500 with goodies include. If you do the match Race fairings, $600, decent paint job, $200. You're not that far off form just buying a dedicated track bike.
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I'm seeing a lot of really good priced sv650's and similar smaller track bike for around $1500 with goodies include. If you do the match Race fairings, $600, decent paint job, $200. You're not that far off form just buying a dedicated track bike.
Yup. That is my rationality.
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Thanks Slo! Side note are you still selling Titanium Bolts? Specifically the coolant drain bolt? Saw someone else on here stripped/ripped the head off and am too paranoid about "soft" bolts.
Yes, I still have titanium bolts. Not sure what size that is but I will see if I can find out and let you know if I have one.
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For those of you guys and galls (@Snazzy;) that have put on race fairings just wanted to hear your opinion

1)Is the cost for a full set worth it? I know I have looked up side fairing costs and roughly, the one side alone costs almost as much as a full set.

2)Is there anything you regret/miss about riding on the street? Being this is my only motorcycle, I feel like I would miss out on some riding with some MC's, and thus get less seat time. Unless there is anyone in here who swaps between the race vs. street fairings. Only other option I would think of is to get a second bike, but I don't think my bank account or fiancé would concur...my lender certainly would though.

3) How much of a PITA is to remove the plastic directly underneath the headlights? Are there any other trouble spots to remove?

4) How many rattle cans did you guys use for a full set? Or how much am I looking at getting a pro design done?

That's all I can think of for now. Looking forward to hearing your guys' wealth of knowledge and smart-ass remarks. lol

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1) A set from HotBodies can be found for as low as $400 or so. Obviously there are better brands but it can be done. I don't even know how you'd run only part as the two different styles i've had were a total of 3 pieces - an upper, a lower, and the tail piece.
2) Swapping fairings back and forth would I think take the fun out of it quickly. Once you've switched to track bodywork maintenance and repair are so easy.... The whole thing comes apart with just a couple of screws and Dzus fasteners. If you want a dedicated bike, wait until you can afford to have two.
3) Getting the headlight out was pretty intricate if i remember correctly, but nothing too physically difficult. If I tried to put it all back together I'd probably skin my knuckles and cuss several times.
4) Think about using a spray gun yourself if you want to learn something. i bought a cheap gun, used watercolors as the base colors, then sprayed a urethane clear coat. Findings after two experiences:

a) I'm no artist
b) Stopping bleed under the masking tape is tough, even using the best tape i could find (Scotch Blue)
c) Using the watercolors was great - tons of choices, I could mix whatever colors and special effects I wanted, and easy to clean up. I used Createx brand and the outcome (other than my poor skill) was great.
d) spraying the clear coat thick enough to set up smooth while avoiding runs is tough!!
e) but I'm glad i did it - it was something I never did before so really enjoyed the experience, and I probably spent less money to do 2 sets (crashed and destroyed the 1st) than if I paid someone to do one. Also the paint doesn't run with the urethane clear coat.

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1) If you want a dedicated bike, wait until you can afford to have two.
Thanks, that makes the most sense. I've thought highly about getting either a ninja 300 or for luxurious long trips getting the BMW S1000R(that cruise control just gets me&#128525

Overall, i think ill have a local painter paint every kawi green to a high gloss and then sticker the fuck out of it.

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1) Yes, go with a full set, or none at all. The race bodywork doesn't fit with the stock stuff anyway so it's full set or leave the street bodywork on.

2) This depends on the individual. Personally for me it's a big NO. I've had one bike only and after a year changed it to a dedicated track bike and never looked back. Now I have 2 bikes and they're still both race bikes lol. Yes, you do a lot less riding but for me it was always about the quality of riding not how many miles I'll do. I'll gladly sacrifice the daily commutes on a bike and instead do about a dozen or so track days in a year. I get a lot more joy out of those several days than I do out of thousands of miles of riding around town or even outside of town. I wouldn't want to deal with the hassle of swapping between track and street fairings, but I know someone that does. It can be done in about 1-2 hours depending on the bike, so it's up to you if you want to do it that way or not.

3) Don't know...never had to do it.

4) Depends on the paint job type. I'm a big fan of 2-color paint schemes. But I would say so far I've used about 3 cans of paint and 2-3 of clear coat. I too have done 3 sets so far and all 3 have been 2-color types (first one was a disaster though). If you pay someone to do it, the cost can vary greatly based on what you want. The more complex it gets, the more expensive. I've seen some people spend upwards of $1500 on a pro paint job like what you'd see in MotoAmerica...pretty much anything done by Andrew Swenson. But if you just want to paint it all one color and it's something common, then probably closer to $500-600. I can tell you I painted both my bikes at the beginning of this year for just over $400 myself. So maybe like $200 a bike. It can be done cheaper but after my first disaster I decided to spend a bit more on better quality paint and clear coat so I used Spraymax 2K clear coat and Spraymax 1K paint for the colors, which run around $25/can. The primer was cheaper, can't remember how much...but if you buy a new unpainted set you don't really need to prime it.
I was gonna respond....then you pretty much hit it word for word lol.

just a SLLIIIIIGHT difference with me...though yes the road miles do not hold the same lure after i tasted track life, I must admit that I do miss the occasional weekend countryside ride. If i ever decide to ride street again it would not be to commute and it probably wouldnt be on a sportbike. After you ride a sportbike on the track and truly become a student of what is involved in being a rider ..you start to look at sportbikes on the street and go..."what for?"

I too have a friend who does double duty with his bike and it's a PITA...

disclaimer: I have year round sunshine and trackdays cost nothing but gas and tyres...so It may be a bit different for me as i do try to ride track as much as i can afford to.

At the very least OP...give it a shot. Enjoy
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just a SLLIIIIIGHT difference with me...though yes the road miles do not hold the same lure after i tasted track life, I must admit that I do miss the occasional weekend countryside ride. If i ever decide to ride street again it would not be to commute and it probably wouldnt be on a sportbike. After you ride a sportbike on the track and truly become a student of what is involved in being a rider ..you start to look at sportbikes on the street and go..."what for?"
I agree. Main reason I gave up is because the of the area I live in. It's just plain boring to ride here. All the roads are flat and straight. I don't really get the option for countryside or canyon/mountain riding, so there isn't much joy. But if/when I move somewhere else that has those options, I will probably start again at least on the weekends. But no, it won't be a supersport by any means. It'll probably still be a sport bike, but a naked bike that's more comfortable.
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For those of you guys and galls (@Snazzy;) that have put on race fairings just wanted to hear your opinion

1)Is the cost for a full set worth it? I know I have looked up side fairing costs and roughly, the one side alone costs almost as much as a full set.

2)Is there anything you regret/miss about riding on the street? Being this is my only motorcycle, I feel like I would miss out on some riding with some MC's, and thus get less seat time. Unless there is anyone in here who swaps between the race vs. street fairings. Only other option I would think of is to get a second bike, but I don't think my bank account or fiancé would concur...my lender certainly would though.

3) How much of a PITA is to remove the plastic directly underneath the headlights? Are there any other trouble spots to remove?

4) How many rattle cans did you guys use for a full set? Or how much am I looking at getting a pro design done?

That's all I can think of for now. Looking forward to hearing your guys' wealth of knowledge and smart-ass remarks. lol

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My 09 is my only bike and I have swapped plastics back and forth for track days. Before I started racing that is. Obviously it's nice to have the option of riding both street and track, but it's also nice to have all of your street plastics and lights in tact at home if you do go down at the track. I would have a few questions for you first before I offered some advice though.
How many track days are you planning on attending this season? If you're only doing 1 per month it is feasible to swap, as I think it's worth the time to get some riding in before your next day.
How familiar are you with removing your street plastics? If you've done it over and over then it's not so bad to take a couple hours to do the swap. I am not sure if the 13 is the same, but i can remove all of the upper plastics including headlights and windscreen all in one piece fairly easy.
Lastly, and here is the deal breaker for me...but what tires will you be using on the track? If you are using street/track tires you'll be fine, but once I moved to DOT race tires and started racing I haven't ridden on the street since (August 2016). I just think that adding a wheel swap on top of switching plastics to ride on the street is too much of a headache.
All in all it really depends how much you enjoy riding on the street as well. I am with sbk1198 in that I would much rather race or do a track day instead of riding thousands of more miles on the street. So come April-October my bike will be race only since some of our rounds are only 2 weeks apart. The other rounds are 6 weeks apart but I will just choose to ride track in between them.

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In my opinion, vinyl wrap is much more practical and gives awesome look to your ride. My vinyl wrap project was installed by Gatorwraps and I am very satisfied!You can also visit Gatorprints, they have a lot of vinyl wraps with lots of colors to choose from. Professionals there will be able to address all your concerns.
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