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Scissor Jack To Lift Front End?

The kawasaki service manual shows that a scissor jack (cost around 45 - 55$ on ebay) can be used to unload the front for fork/ stem servicing but it doesn't show how. I was thinking of buying an abba stand (255$) for this but spending less money and riding more is a much better alternative.

What points on the bike are used for support?


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I just put the rear on my pitbull stand and use my floor jack under the front of the headers to raise the front if I need to do steering head bearing work. That looks like it would work as well but you can use most any jack under the headers (the scissor jack from your car for example). Use a short piece of 2x4 under the header if you're worried about scratching the bottom of them, could even notch the 2x4 for added stability but I don't find it necessary. Just be careful and break everything loose before jacking it up. It's pretty stable, but not as stable as if it was on a front stand of course.
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The the upward pointing arms with the similarly upward pointing tits - Left & Right. It would be similar to using a front stand that locates the bottom of the fork stanchions. Get yourself a front stand instead... you can get them online or a brick & wood like Cycle Gear. Now I have no ties or interests in Pit Bull, but if you wanna stop your search for the best rear & front stands, look no further. You will never regret it.

Or, you can go cheap now, and have whatever stand you buy wear out. And of course they don't give out just sitting around your garage/hanging off the wall; no they check out whilst you're trying to hoist the bastard. Now, you are immediately faced with the unfortunate cross roads of how to save your bike from crashing down to the cement without doing significant injury to your body. I've had my Pit Bull rear stand for around 20-yr, and my front stand for about 15+ years.

See if Forum sponsor, Hard Racing can cut you an end of the year deal; or what if you purchase F/R stands at the same time?

The only question then is do you go with one that lifts at the bottom of the forks, or do you go with the one that lifts by the bottom of the steering stem? Personally, I like the latter in most situations. It's the only one where you can turn the clip-ons/tire L/R. Or, if you wanna pull the forks out to service/rebuild. One key item you need to know is Make, Model, & year of your bike - there are specific "pins" for your specific application. And oh, Pit Bull also makes a convertible that can change between the two styles.

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I just put the rear on my pitbull stand and use my floor jack under the front of the headers to raise the front if I need to do steering head bearing work. That looks like it would work as well but you can use most any jack under the headers (the scissor jack from your car for example). Use a short piece of 2x4 under the header if you're worried about scratching the bottom of them, could even notch the 2x4 for added stability but I don't find it necessary. Just be careful and break everything loose before jacking it up. It's pretty stable, but not as stable as if it was on a front stand of course.

If you use this method, an added option - if you have aftermarket solidly mounted pegs on your rearsets - is you can jack them up and then place jack stands like you would use on a car under the pegs. Then you can remove the scissor/hydraulic jack all together. Reverse to let the bike down.
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If you use this method, an added option - if you have aftermarket solidly mounted pegs on your rearsets - is you can jack them up and then place jack stands like you would use on a car under the pegs. Then you can remove the scissor/hydraulic jack all together. Reverse to let the bike down.
This only works for the rear end like working on the shock since most of he weight is in front of the pegs. I do the jacks-under-pegs method, but you have to have the front end supported then.

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The the upward pointing arms with the similarly upward pointing tits - Left & Right. It would be similar to using a front stand that locates the bottom of the fork stanchions. Get yourself a front stand instead... you can get them online or a brick & wood like Cycle Gear. Now I have no ties or interests in Pit Bull, but if you wanna stop your search for the best rear & front stands, look no further. You will never regret it.

Or, you can go cheap now, and have whatever stand you buy wear out. And of course they don't give out just sitting around your garage/hanging off the wall; no they check out whilst you're trying to hoist the bastard. Now, you are immediately faced with the unfortunate cross roads of how to save your bike from crashing down to the cement without doing significant injury to your body. I've had my Pit Bull rear stand for around 20-yr, and my front stand for about 15+ years.

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The only question then is do you go with one that lifts at the bottom of the forks, or do you go with the one that lifts by the bottom of the steering stem? Personally, I like the latter in most situations. It's the only one where you can turn the clip-ons/tire L/R. Or, if you wanna pull the forks out to service/rebuild. One key item you need to know is Make, Model, & year of your bike - there are specific "pins" for your specific application. And oh, Pit Bull also makes a convertible that can change between the two styles.

Happy hunting.
But neither of those stands will work if you need to do steering stem work and or pull the triples apart. I have pitbull front stands too and they work great if you just have to pull the forks out but they won't work for steering stem work, hence the jack under the headers for me there.
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But neither of those stands will work if you need to do steering stem work and or pull the triples apart. I have pitbull front stands too and they work great if you just have to pull the forks out but they won't work for steering stem work, hence the jack under the headers for me there.
Pretty much the issue with using triple tree stands. I just didn't want to have to buy "another" stand. I already have the usual ones (spool, fork, jacks).

I might end up going with an Abba stand but I didn't really want to spend the money on it.


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Don't get me wrong, I LOVE my Pitbull stands but on the rare occasion I need to mess with the stem/triples the floor jack really does work well and it's a no cost option because I already had it. It's a multipurpose tool. In fact I went through a few of those cheap 2 ton floor jacks before I got wise and spent a chunk of change on a larger heavier duty one. Love that thing.
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The only time I've ever had to swap out triple clamps and steering stem, was on my old 1198 a couple of years ago and I honestly can't even remember how I supported the front end lol. I think I did something similar to what TDH said. I'm 99% sure I used the jack that came with my Jeep, and a piece of 2x4 somewhere under the engine, but I can't remember the details. I recall being pretty sketchy though and I was very careful to not put much force on any part of the bike. I think I used that in conjunction with a triple tree stand and once I loosened up as many bolts as I could and had the forks and top triple out, I lowered the bike and took the stand out and then the bottom triple and steering stem pretty much just fell out and I put the new ones in.

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But neither of those stands will work if you need to do steering stem work and or pull the triples apart. I have pitbull front stands too and they work great if you just have to pull the forks out but they won't work for steering stem work, hence the jack under the headers for me there.
Oh but they do make a standard style front stand:

Pit Bull Products - Motorcycle Stands Hybrid Forklift - Motorcycle Front Stand

They also produce a Hybrid front stand, "... Our Hybrid Headlift Stand is based upon a modular design and can be easily converted to lift from the forks instead of the lower triple tree with the addition of a few parts (see related products below this description)... "

Pit Bull Products - Motorcycle Stands Hybrid Headlift - Motorcycle Front Stand

Thus, you get the option of either lifting the forks or the from the steering stem.

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fuck paying more dollars on stands ,thats bike parts money wasted lol but i am a tight ass,i have done 4 sets of head bearings ,i have used a small bottle jack on every occasion,jack up the front on the headers as far to the front you can go without it slipping out ,if you keep the jack to far towards the back area ,it will all seem ok but when you remove parts like front wheel and forks the balance will be incorrect as you have made it lighter,like i say i have done it many ways like that but try to keep the jack nearer the front wheel area as best you can thats the only bit you need to keep in mind
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fuck paying more dollars on stands ,thats bike parts money wasted lol but i am a tight ass,i have done 4 sets of head bearings ,i have used a small bottle jack on every occasion,jack up the front on the headers as far to the front you can go without it slipping out ,if you keep the jack to far towards the back area ,it will all seem ok but when you remove parts like front wheel and forks the balance will be incorrect as you have made it lighter,like i say i have done it many ways like that but try to keep the jack nearer the front wheel area as best you can thats the only bit you need to keep in mind
There's no problem using the header as a support?

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I've never had a problem jacking the front of the bike up under the front part of the headers.
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