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post #1 of 47 Old 01-05-2017, 07:22 PM Thread Starter
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Cam Chain Tensioner replacement?

Bike has 22k on it.
So the valves need to be done and imagine the tensioner is due.

Replace the OEM spring and or stock tensioner (if it lasts another 21k I'm happy) For me the stock has the plus of being automatic.

Manual (Ape) plus it's bullet proof, the down side is I've got to pull the covers to adjust.

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It is working good........keep it in and inspect it when you pull it out to remove cams for valve adjustment

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The tensioner should last the life of the bike......don't fix what ain't broke......
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I Like it.. Ain't broke, nough said.
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All Im gonna say is a manual CCT quiets the bike valve train noise down a f*ck ton. For $60 well worth it IMO, really doesn't need "constant" adjustment like everyone thinks.
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All Im gonna say is a manual CCT quiets the bike valve train noise down a f*ck ton. For $60 well worth it IMO, really doesn't need "constant" adjustment like everyone thinks.
A cam chain should need even less adjustment than the final drive chain, TBH..... it is not exposed to the elements, rides in a constant oil bath, never faces a change in geometry. Nearly wear free. The light tension applied by the auto tensioner is meant to be just enough to ensure that there is no possibility of the chain jumping a tooth and changing the valve timing.

The guides are what will wear most, in this configuration.

The biggest issue with manual adjusters is the damage done by running them too tight. The accelerated wear on the guides is the potential damage. Sure, it's quieter as it is cutting away the guides.......
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The biggest issue with manual adjusters is the damage done by running them too tight.
Well theres your answer learn what you're doing and you wont have any issues lol

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Well theres your answer learn what you're doing and you wont have any issues lol
Exactly. The problem is there's a lot more people who get that wrong, than right. All you have to do is pay attention to all the threads on chain maintenance..... that's even easier to see, and people F that up all the time.

The accelerated wear is not immediately apparent. It becomes a latent fault. I do not recall having a fault with a chain driven cam, in all the bikes I have owned. That's now been 6 or 7 bikes so equipped, with a minimum of 25K miles on any one of them. (as much as 53K on the highest mileage unit).

Cam chain noise doesn't really bother me..... a ticking motor doesn't, either. I don't expect reciprocating engines to be quiet, or vibration free. They are far less obnoxious in these regards than they were even 30 years ago, and much less maintenance intensive.

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So much better to leave them alone and just ride the things.....
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not sure about newer models but you can actually adjust the OEM cct on the 03-04 and 05-06
just not in the traditional sense
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not sure about newer models but you can actually adjust the OEM cct on the 03-04 and 05-06
just not in the traditional sense
Any one of the auto CCT can be re-set, and they will adjust themselves again. No need to replace.... simply pull the unit off, clean it, re-set the tensioner IAW the shop manual, and re-install.

Like any other analog, spring driven device, they are not perfectly linear.... at the extreme ends of their range the force they apply is not the same as it is mid range.

Once the cleaned unit is returned to it's location IAW the shop manual, as soon as you start the bike it will adjust itself. Quiet will be the word of the day.

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What a hack............

And did you even pay attention to that gap created before he got the "click".....that was for sure more than .040", that is a shit ton extra preload on the chain and thus the chain guides

Too many dumbasses run their cam chain far too tight! and this is a prime example of one of them
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What a hack............

And did you even pay attention to that gap created before he got the "click".....that was for sure more than .040", that is a shit ton extra preload on the chain and thus the chain guides

Too many dumbasses run their cam chain far too tight! and this is a prime example of one of them
If that makes you feel better lol. I adjusted the CCT on my 05 this way and haven't had any issues and that was in 2012
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If that makes you feel better lol. I adjusted the CCT on my 05 this way and haven't had any issues and that was in 2012

Did you also round off the bolt heads like the idiot in the video?



And just because you have not inspected the internals or noticed any issue does not mean there has been no negative consequence!


That is like saying if you close your eyes and can't see any danger there must not be any present.............
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