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post #1 of 13 Old 05-04-2017, 06:37 AM Thread Starter
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Hey fellas. I am really curious about the power commander. I have a slip on m4 gp1 exhaust and a k&n air filter. That's basically the only engine effective mods I have done. The m4 I have removed the box muffler under my 09 zx6r. From what I understand the cats are inside the pipes coming out of the headers. My question is will a power commander fix some of the sluggishness in first and second gear that I seem to be having Any help would be awesome. I did a tune up on it less than a 100 miles ago. HELP. I don't wanna waist money.


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You gotta get it dyno tuned... gotta have the fuel values at a given rpm range set at an optimum setting - getting rid of the divots & hills, having them ironed out - flowing as smoothly as possible.

And then you have do that all over again for the other five gears. Through their rpm range, too. Good dyno techs are worth their weight in g... o... l - titanium & carbon fiber.

And in all in honesty, you should have the mojo sprinkled over the CPU

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The only way to really answer that is to first determine if there is anything else wrong with the bike then get it dyno'ed after. The dyno would tell you if your AFR is correct. When I make changes to my bikes with regards to air filters and exhaust, I personally put the power commander and upload the map for those items. Bikes usually run way better after the PC with proper mapping. With modern technology, a lot of people are just flashing the upgrades right into the ECU so no PC is needed. During my zx6r track bike build, I've discovered that no one is really that good at flashing maps into zx6r's. Good luck trying to figure it out but other mechanicals can cause similar symptoms, like a pinched fuel line or depending on your mechanical experience, your clutch may be slipping a bit which feels sluggish to you.
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The only way to really answer that is to first determine if there is anything else wrong with the bike then get it dyno'ed after. The dyno would tell you if your AFR is correct. When I make changes to my bikes with regards to air filters and exhaust, I personally put the power commander and upload the map for those items. Bikes usually run way better after the PC with proper mapping. With modern technology, a lot of people are just flashing the upgrades right into the ECU so no PC is needed. During my zx6r track bike build, I've discovered that no one is really that good at flashing maps into zx6r's. Good luck trying to figure it out but other mechanicals can cause similar symptoms, like a pinched fuel line or depending on your mechanical experience, your clutch may be slipping a bit which feels sluggish to you.


Well if I get the power commander 5 I can DL the map for the m4 and the air filter. I'm assuming that's what your talking about. I've had everything else checked out and it's wonderful, knock on wood but she's a solid machine so far. I keep her inside and take care of her.


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A PC5 with the downloaded map will help a little but it will run rich. I would wait to do a dyno tune until you're done modifying anything intake, engine, exhaust, and ecu. A good dyno tune should gain you around 3-5hp peak and some low end power with just a slip on.
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A PC5 with the downloaded map will help a little but it will run rich. I would wait to do a dyno tune until you're done modifying anything intake, engine, exhaust, and ecu. A good dyno tune should gain you around 3-5hp peak and some low end power with just a slip on.


Agreed 100%.

Get yourself a PC-V; and then a BMC or K&M air filter; get the slip on & a link-pipe; this is also the time to shit-can the EVSM & all the cable crap under the seat, and the myriad of hoses and charcoal container, etc; also think about getting some plate (there are lots of options) on the cam cover, thus doing away with the PAIR (Kawi's verson is called KLEEN); now send you CPU out and have it reflashed - the best bargain going around is Schnitz Racing of a base price of $75.00, add these two options: disable EVSM & PAIR@$10.00 ea., so for about $100.00 you get the whole enchilada. The nice thing is if you ship it out SAT-TUE, they'll probably have it back to you by FRI or SAT.

Now this might take you up to a year or two, depending on finances & time. That' OK. During this time talk to other riders in your area about who has the Wizard of the Dyno. If you're having a hard time finding sportbike riders in your area, go to a weekend of racing. Most riders will be more than happy is revealing the name of their Dyno Ace..

After, and only after you have the sundry items purchased and installed, now you book some time for the Dyno Magician, taking it to a dyno equipped shop. Depending on weather conditions in your area they may need it for a day or two, or even for a week+. It's all worth it end the end, you'll be really glad you did.
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I got the whole enchilada from Schnitz and couldn't be happier! lol
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Downloaded maps will get you about 80%. The real magic happens with tuning to your particular bike. That last 20% is what really matters.

Or I can put it this way:

You can spend $700 on a PC and installation and have it run ok, or you can spend $1000 on a PC, installation, and dyno tune and have it run at its absolute best. You be the judge.
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Agreed 100%.

Get yourself a PC-V; and then a BMC or K&M air filter; get the slip on & a link-pipe; this is also the time to shit-can the EVSM & all the cable crap under the seat, and the myriad of hoses and charcoal container, etc; also think about getting some plate (there are lots of options) on the cam cover, thus doing away with the PAIR (Kawi's verson is called KLEEN); now send you CPU out and have it reflashed - the best bargain going around is Schnitz Racing of a base price of $75.00, add these two options: disable EVSM & PAIR@$10.00 ea., so for about $100.00 you get the whole enchilada. The nice thing is if you ship it out SAT-TUE, they'll probably have it back to you by FRI or SAT.

Now this might take you up to a year or two, depending on finances & time. That' OK. During this time talk to other riders in your area about who has the Wizard of the Dyno. If you're having a hard time finding sportbike riders in your area, go to a weekend of racing. Most riders will be more than happy is revealing the name of their Dyno Ace..

After, and only after you have the sundry items purchased and installed, now you book some time for the Dyno Magician, taking it to a dyno equipped shop. Depending on weather conditions in your area they may need it for a day or two, or even for a week+. It's all worth it end the end, you'll be really glad you did.
To the OP, Don't forget to delete the cat in the header, if you are doing all of this and spending money on a dyno tune knock out the cat and get the most for you money.
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Take a look at my build thread. I have a lot of information discussed that you are being informed here on your thread...

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Quick question for you guys. I didn't want to start another thread. There's a guy selling a PCV for 2011 ZX6R. I have the 2013 model. Will this work on the '13? Their website lists different part numbers so my understanding is it won't be compatible. Can someone please confirm? Thanks.
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Quick question for you guys. I didn't want to start another thread. There's a guy selling a PCV for 2011 ZX6R. I have the 2013 model. Will this work on the '13? Their website lists different part numbers so my understanding is it won't be compatible. Can someone please confirm? Thanks.
Will not work.

If I remember correctly they have reversed polarity.

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Yeah. I thought so. That's too bad. Seeing as the PCV go for about AU$700-800, the one on sale is only for AU$100.00 which is a steal. Thanks for confirming.
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