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post #1 of 14 Old 06-18-2017, 07:58 PM Thread Starter
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Why I don't ride other people's bikes

There ALWAYS ends up being some sort of discrepancy which has the potential to damage a friendship..... best to approach with extreme caution.

Case in point.

Last Thursday, my coworker that bought his uncle's extremely low mile 954 rr tossed me his keys. I would normally turn down the offer, but I've ridden other bikes of his and have offered much constructive advice on repairs to this one..... couldn't refuse without insult.

He's rebuilt the suspension, brakes, replaced chain and sprockets, tires.... all on my advice. How could I say no, after all that? He really wanted to get my approval of what he has accomplished.

So I geared up and rode it off base when I needed to run an errand. I looped out one gate and came back on an alternate route through the other. Maybe 15 miles, total. I'd expect that it was less. Lunchtime traffic was heavy enough, I couldn't pin the thing..... and I didn't want to. Romped on it moderately, but not in any way excessively. Nowhere near red line, no max braking, hard cornering.

The bike's idle was set at 1K RPM. Too low. Made the throttle response immediately off idle very poor....the things was painful to ride in very slow traffic. Especially because the clutch engagement was set at the end of the lever throw. The furthest out -1" .

I brought it back to him, and when he asked me about the bike, I told him what I thought. I asked him if he would mind if I adjusted the idle up to where it should be.... he agreed, so we both walked out to the bike and I showed him where the idle adjustment knob was. Started the bike, tweaked the idle speed up to about 1300. Much better response. No more flat spot.

We then set the clutch engagement point for full engagement at about 2/3 out from the bar. I checked that half a dozen times.... I turned the knurled adjuster at the clutch lever probably four or five complete rotations into the perch, to get it right.

End of day I rode out first. Friday, I have to drive in, so I expected to see my coworker show up on that well adjusted machine. He drove his truck, saw him in the lot, so I asked if the bike had improved as much as I thought it had?

Imagine my surprise when he said that the bike had been unridable and was back at the shop!

He said it lost all power and sounded horrible as soon as he started it to ride home. By the time he got it there he says it was only running on two cylinders and making noise.

I know this man well. I believe he doesn't hold me accountable, but I feel horrible about the timing of this. It sounded fine, when we were done adjusting stuff. He even ran it after I had adjusted it without issue. No smoke, no smells, no sounds out of the ordinary. Temp is right on the money. Said he liked the changes. Much smoother off the line

I've been kicking this around since Friday.... I just didn't know what happened.

"Basic stuff fellas. Use your head for something other than to break your next fall."

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Sounds like a big ole' coincidence, nothing to do with adjusting the idle and the clutch engagement.

I was expecting to hear that you rode his bike and crashed it...that's a reason for ruined friendships if it doesn't get handled right. And the reason why many people are skeptical to ride other people's bikes, or to let others ride their bikes.

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Sounds like a big ole' coincidence, nothing to do with adjusting the idle and the clutch engagement.

I was expecting to hear that you rode his bike and crashed it...that's a reason for ruined friendships if it doesn't get handled right. And the reason why many people are skeptical to ride other people's bikes, or to let others ride their bikes.


I owned a 954RR. It was a perfectly fine bike. I liked the two 1st Gen 900RRs I had better. They were more 'hot-crazy chick on the the 1st 1-5 dates that was into anything, anytime, anywhere." The 954RR was like the woman you dated, but knew you were not ever going to be looking for anything more substantial than what it already was. And you were never going to ask her to marry you. "It was comfortable​."

I sold it to make way for my 1st Yamaha YZF R1. Which was imbued with qualities more like the original RRs. Whereas my 1000RR was the girl you bring home to meet Mom. And you talk about forever after. Too bad she got murdered.

Back to the topic: 1) I NEVER ask to ride another person's bike (one and only once when I was in college I rode a guy's bike to his place because he was too drunk to ride it, and kept dropping it). I very rarely allow anyone to ride my bike. I gotta know them so well I can tell you their favourite colour, fave food, what their first dog's name was, etc. Maybe 2- 3 other guys have even sat on the saddle(s) of my bike(s).

I always figure in the case of an accident, it's not gonna look pretty... for at least one party. It can get too emotional... for at the very least, one party.

If I help someone with maintenance/fix-it issues, they always handle the tools. I'll give advice when and only when I'm asked. And no, I've never had a friendship go South, nor dinged another's bike, etc.

Nor do I want there to be a first!

I'll go with a friend when they go to look at a bike they may purchase, assess the mechanical soundness, the financial viability of the purchase price, etc. There's little vested up to that point.

It's like relationships one might have with another couple: everything stays happy as long as no one wants to ride another's spouse.
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I had the chance to ride a 919 in 2002 or so, and the following year the same guy had me ride his 954.... both were quick, nimble bikes. the 919 was the more challenging of the two.

This particular bike sat for more than 5 years without even being started. There were any number of gremlins that came about due to the sitting. My coworker has been through most of the tweaking required -- it's obvious to me that he hasn't ever ridden this bike at it's full power -- what I rode is about equal to my 09 ZX6, but only once it was over ~2K RPM. Horrendous dead spot below that.

When I tweaked the idle up, that filled in the power 'hole' to the point where it would at least respond properly to the throttle input.

His uncle installed a PC III when he bought the bike, and downloaded their map for an Erion can, with a K&N filter as the only mods. Never had the thing dyno'd, just rode it like that until he parked it and eventually sold it to his nephew.

I suspect that the PC III didn't add any fuel until it got over 2K..... my guess is it's fouled the plugs. Can't believe anything I did to it should have resulted in the motor grenading.

the only other variable is that my coworker dropped the bike a few months ago due to running track tires on a cold morning. Had a high side as a result of the tire spinning up. It hit hard enough to crack the cover over the clutch.

It's possible there was a latent fault from that.....
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"There's this adage that we have 2 ears and one mouth so we should listen twice as much as we talk. Unfortunately with the Internet people have taken this old adage and turned it around. They have two eyes and 10 fingers so they think they need to post 5 times as much as they read. And since they have 10 fingers and one brain, they only have to think 10% of the time! "
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Can't say what might have happened but it's definitely not your fault. I can understand how you're feeling though, I've been there with jetski stuff before.

I also wouldn't let anyone ride my gsxr, except my dad or one friend. Beyond them I can't think of anyone. The zx6r is a whore and available for anyone to mount.

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I hope that it's simply the fuel rail or injectors that are acting up. Without seeing or hearing what it was acting like when he went out to ride it home, I have no idea what's actually wrong.

He says it wasn't smoking or overheating.... running like cr@p, with no power, and missing on a couple of cylinders getting progressively worse as he tried to get it to the mechanic's place.

the mechanic told him he shouldn't have run it to get it there. Was making statements like it was going to cost him $1k/cylinder to get it right.....

This is the same guy who has done all of the servicing on it to this point -- WTF was he doing letting it go with the idle set at <1K? Especially with the off idle flat spot I experienced.

So many places for my coworker to get reamed on this. And somehow I could be seen as the reason for it.

"Basic stuff fellas. Use your head for something other than to break your next fall."

"There's this adage that we have 2 ears and one mouth so we should listen twice as much as we talk. Unfortunately with the Internet people have taken this old adage and turned it around. They have two eyes and 10 fingers so they think they need to post 5 times as much as they read. And since they have 10 fingers and one brain, they only have to think 10% of the time! "
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Can't say what might have happened but it's definitely not your fault. I can understand how you're feeling though, I've been there with jetski stuff before.

I also wouldn't let anyone ride my gsxr, except my dad or one friend. Beyond them I can't think of anyone. The zx6r is a whore and available for anyone to mount.
Wait, so you wouldn't let me ride your GSXR if I was there?


Personally, I wouldn't let just anyone ride my bikes but I'd let quite a few. It's all about who I trust to not do something stupid and who I'd trust to fix it/pay for it in case they crashed it. At the track, the general consensus is that it's sort of a gentleman's agreement. If you ask to ride someone bike, and you crash it, you pay to fix it. Simple as that. Of course there's no obligation to do that, but that's why I wouldn't let just anyone ride it. But on the other hand, I wouldn't let my best friends ride my bikes because they haven't demonstrated the necessary skills yet...but I'd have no problem letting someone like PSlo ride my bikes even though I've never actually met him. Simply because I know he's good enough and smart enough to not do anything stupid.

I've ridden quite a few people's bikes at the track with no issues because I just don't push myself as hard as I do on my own bikes.

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Nah it's got shiny paint still and I know what you do to shiny paint.

The kawi is all yours though lol. Sorry pal.

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I hope that it's simply the fuel rail or injectors that are acting up. Without seeing or hearing what it was acting like when he went out to ride it home, I have no idea what's actually wrong.

He says it wasn't smoking or overheating.... running like cr@p, with no power, and missing on a couple of cylinders getting progressively worse as he tried to get it to the mechanic's place.

the mechanic told him he shouldn't have run it to get it there. Was making statements like it was going to cost him $1k/cylinder to get it right.....

This is the same guy who has done all of the servicing on it to this point -- WTF was he doing letting it go with the idle set at <1K? Especially with the off idle flat spot I experienced.

So many places for my coworker to get reamed on this. And somehow I could be seen as the reason for it.

What follows is easy for me to say, but harder for you to do: Stop beating yourself up. From what you've stated here, there as absolutely nothing you did to cause the 954RR to self-destruct. Again, nothing!

The little you've told us of the bike's history, is more than enough to make one ponder the mechanical soundness of that particular machine. Parked up idle for prolonged periods of time is one of the hardest things one can do to a motor vehicle. Allowing the idle to remain maladjusted is idiocy. It sounds as if typical maintenance was spotty at best, and executed by a hack.

Curious how the bike seemed to be running fine when the two of you left work, but between there and his home it suddenly became possessed by evil spirits to the point of becoming a puking, smoking pile of dog doo. Starting to sound like one of The Bard's line's regarding stench and Denmark.

To be blatantly honest, I would suspect the quality & calibre of "friend" your friend holds you in. "Do not shoot the messenger."
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Nah it's got shiny paint still and I know what you do to shiny paint.

The kawi is all yours though lol. Sorry pal.
That was one time!!!....wait...2 times!! In like 7 years!

But how am I supposed to stop hating on GSXR's if I've never ridden one and you won't give me the opportunity to see what the fuss is all about?

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That was one time!!!....wait...2 times!! In like 7 years!

But how am I supposed to stop hating on GSXR's if I've never ridden one and you won't give me the opportunity to see what the fuss is all about?
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Yeah like I'm gonna go out and buy one...can you imagine the shit I would get from people for being a huge hypocrite after all these years of bashing on GSXRs! lol

I just want to ride one to see how it compares...same reason I want to ride an R6. Never tried one of those either, and I'd like to know what the fuss is all about.

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At the bachelor party track day you can rent one from the guy at the track.

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