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post #16 of 98 Old 06-15-2011, 09:15 PM
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I just recently fixed a bad riding habit, a stiff inside elbow. I was watching the making of Kieth Code's second movie when I came across a video on improving your riding skills. One of the things they showed was to make sure your elbows were relaxed. It is so easy to be riding with bad habits and not even know it. I will be ordering Twist Of The Wrist II tonight.

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Up until a year ago, I wasn't used to really looking ahead on corners to anticipate my exit. Now, I make sure my eyes and head are turned towards the corner ahead of me. It actually made a big difference in cornering.

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I just recently fixed a bad riding habit, a stiff inside elbow. I was watching the making of Kieth Code's second movie when I came across a video on improving your riding skills. One of the things they showed was to make sure your elbows were relaxed. It is so easy to be riding with bad habits and not even know it. I will be ordering Twist Of The Wrist II tonight.
Actually... its not so much in your elbows but this is a good focal point. You want your arms in general to be relaxed in such a manner that you are supporting yourself with your core and hanging on with your legs. You want to be able to flap your arms freely without disrupting the bike.

Essentially, you want to use the handlebars only for controls input, steering/countersteering, etc.

As for looking out of the corner. Be cautious about this as well. If you are coming around a Horseshoe shaped corner, and you are fixated on the exit, you run the risk of taking the corner too tight or missing the apex point altogether and running your exit incorrectly. You want to be constantly scanning in a two-step method that consists of identifying your apex and then your exit.
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Actually... its not so much in your elbows but this is a good focal point. You want your arms in general to be relaxed in such a manner that you are supporting yourself with your core and hanging on with your legs. You want to be able to flap your arms freely without disrupting the bike.

Essentially, you want to use the handlebars only for controls input, steering/countersteering, etc.

As for looking out of the corner. Be cautious about this as well. If you are coming around a Horseshoe shaped corner, and you are fixated on the exit, you run the risk of taking the corner too tight or missing the apex point altogether and running your exit incorrectly. You want to be constantly scanning in a two-step method that consists of identifying your apex and then your exit.


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Excellent post MOM, as always you give us newbies some actual digestible information, mixed in with some sharp whit! Now if only I could get out on my bike to practice my riding that would be a big step in advancing!

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As always great write up M.O.M. you always have a way with words.

I've seen too many new riders (and even seasoned riders riders that have been off the saddle for a long period of time) laying their bike down because the were peer pressured into riding out side their comfort zone, or even not paying attention to the road and going too hot into a turn and forgetting/ not knowing what to do.

When I started riding the twisties I was in a progressive closing turn and I was fixated on the exit, well I miss the apex and went way too wide and ran off the road. Luckily I was able to slow down enough to when I laid down my bike there wasn't too much damage and I stopped before I went over the cliff.

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Why do all us young guys get pick out for being so stupid? Never mind it's prob true for most but I'd like to think I have some brains and experience behind the bars. Me being young (20) I ride with a lot of guys my age most have the balls to wall attitude until they get off the freeway and make it to the mountain and realize that there is more than holding a bike straight at 130 mph + it takes knowledge and skill. I've had my fair share of tasting the ground not fun in my eyes I'm sure the feeling is mutual. yet I've been on a bike since I was three so I guess ive grown up learning anything I can on motorcycle but it seems to come natural with a Lil commen sence added in. Though I still learn more and more each time my ass hits the sit. Yet I still don't know how to drag a knee or never been on track but those things come with time and experience. But if I had one thing to say to all riders including my self pay attention, no your surroundings, and most of all no your limits don't worry you will have your time to shine when your teaching the next new rider how to do it properly. The best quote or saying I've heard is " if you think you have your bike mastered sell it cause it's soon to master you"

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Well written insight M.O.M and contributors. It has always baffled me the way that some people ride the way they do and are then surprised when they crash, whether it is a simple low-side caused by riding over a painted line with cold tires, or "run-in" with an unsuspecting driver.

It is nice to finally get some serious topics, and real info on the forum again instead of the constant posts about what tires to run, should I buy this cheap ass leather suit or how to wheelie my 600. Keep up the good work guys, this is what the forum was meant for.

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Amazing read. I think I ride pretty responsible. always looking to just being smooth and improve my technique. I still don't understand the whole trial braking concept since I try to get all my breaking and gear changes done before I dip into the turn. I guess it works when your pushing the bike so that's gonna have to wait for a track day. I do have a problem when I'm in a turns. I sometimes wonder where exactly I should be looking at, I think I need an experienced person to walk with me through a turn and tell me where I should be looking at each point of the turn.
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Amazing read. I think I ride pretty responsible. always looking to just being smooth and improve my technique. I still don't understand the whole trial braking concept since I try to get all my breaking and gear changes done before I dip into the turn. I guess it works when your pushing the bike so that's gonna have to wait for a track day. I do have a problem when I'm in a turns. I sometimes wonder where exactly I should be looking at, I think I need an experienced person to walk with me through a turn and tell me where I should be looking at each point of the turn.
Save trail braking for the track. It's not something you really should be doing on the street as you really shouldn't be pushing yourself that hard.

As for the points to be looking for in a turn...

Tip in point... then apex... then exit. Most people start their turns too early in many cases. Which only leads to having to correct while IN the turn. Your turn should be one fluid motion. Find the lin and hold it... only small adjustments, if any. You know you're on the right line when you feel like if you let go of the bars it will keep the line.

And as MoM stated... I think one of the biggest mistakes people make is being too tense on the bars. All that tension goes right into the feedback of the bike and that can end up bad.


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Thanks for sharing this post MOM and to all that have added too it.What a wealth of knowledge.
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As for the points to be looking for in a turn...

Tip in point... then apex... then exit. Most people start their turns too early in many cases. Which only leads to having to correct while IN the turn. Your turn should be one fluid motion. Find the lin and hold it... only small adjustments, if any. You know you're on the right line when you feel like if you let go of the bars it will keep the line.
After I tip in should I scan between the apex and exit?
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After I tip in should I scan between the apex and exit?
Tip... see the apex... and drive through it. I usually have my eye on where I'm gonna tip the bike well before I enter... as I'm coming to that point my vision shifts to the apex and it's pretty much it. I'm looking at the apex and also through it. Just make sure not to get on the gas too hard as your 3rd reference point (the exit) may be small and you can still overshoot and go off the track... or worse... over the center line.

If you ever take California Superbike School they'll put big X's down where the tip in point is. It's almost weird seeing how late it really is... but when you start feeling that later entry point your turns get much more fluid and smooth. Like MoM stated earlier. Smoother is ALWAYS better.


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