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post #61 of 98 Old 04-23-2012, 08:36 AM
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Thanks MoM

Just bought my first super sport after riding dirt bikes on and off for 30 years and I gotta say you can get into trouble fast on this thing.

What you say about riding at your comfort level is so true and that's why I avoid group rides for now until I learn to ride this beast. Too much testosterone in these groups and they might get me injured or worse because "I'm too slow".

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Great write up. Thanks for taking the time to do this.
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Just bought my first super sport after riding dirt bikes on and off for 30 years and I gotta say you can get into trouble fast on this thing.

What you say about riding at your comfort level is so true and that's why I avoid group rides for now until I learn to ride this beast. Too much testosterone in these groups and they might get me injured or worse because "I'm too slow".

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Lol I am absolutely terrible in the dirt. I let a friend of mine take me to some really gnarly dirt tracks here a few weeks ago with my DRZ. I was so beyond my skill and mechanical level (street tires for the most part), but I still went for it and felt like I was gonna die the entire time. I had a freakin' blast but I crashed a few times. Kinda reminded me of the basic pointers that I give street riders when I'm coaching them. Crashing really isn't the most fun, (or cost effective) way to learn.

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been ridinn for 2 months...out of this thread ive got the word trail braking which im about to look up..and im gonna put the "traffic" section on my wall...this was made for me lol unfortunatley..
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been ridinn for 2 months...out of this thread ive got the word trail braking which im about to look up..and im gonna put the "traffic" section on my wall...this was made for me lol unfortunatley..
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Thanks MoM for this write-up,especially the 2 points wherein you stated that when you hang off of your bike,you actually lean less and that you have passed riders with way more lean than you in corners.

The second point that you made was that the more skilled you are on your bike,the faster you will go.

With that being said,they both affect me in a sense that I want to go faster,lean more,and have more control in corners.

I have only begun to really learn and be cognizant of counter-steering and body positioning since June of this year,so I am pretty much a noob when it comes to leaning.

I am only 5'5" and have short legs,and in the past I usually ride with my crotch right up against the tank(that makes bumps or potential tankslappers really painful on my nuts!).

So just today,I shifted my butt further back in the heart of the seat,maybe 3-4 inches away from the tank and placed the middle of my feet on the pegs of the rearsets,hence a little further back also.

I noticed a HUGE difference!The bike felt lighter.My hands did not feel so heavy or death gripped on the bars.Even though I don't have stomp grips,I actually felt more in control of the bike by NOW gripping the tank area(JUST LATERAL OF MY PRO-GRIP TANK PROTECTOR STICKER) with my knees and shifted my butt half off the seat into corners.

PG,I am still working on looking past the apex and corner exit,"eating" the mirror,keeping my chest down,and sticking my inner elbow out which I find to be quite effective.

Sorry for this long post,but hopefully you two or others, can chime in further with more tips,especially with speed in corners since I am averaging between 40 to 80 kmph in most tight corners as opposed to long sweeping ones where my speed is usually higher.Finally,is it ok to keep it in 4th gear in corners? My riding buddy on an '06 R6 keeps his bike in third for corners which he is really good at throwing his bike into and with a lean angle way greater than mine at the moment.THIS is due to my having CTS in both hands/wrists ,thus I feel smoother and more in control or less rev happy of the throttle while in 4th,most of the time(just started that habit earlier today!!!).

P.S. I want to thank that other member ArrhythmiA for posting his thread "Mutant arms" in this section also,and I have yet to watch "Twist of the wrist 2" as mentioned in this section also in "Cornering tips".

Thanks in advance for any future helpful posts as track days are few and far in between in my neck of the woods.

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Thanks MoM for this write-up,especially the 2 points wherein you stated that when you hang off of your bike,you actually lean less and that you have passed riders with way more lean than you in corners.

The second point that you made was that the more skilled you are on your bike,the faster you will go.

With that being said,they both affect me in a sense that I want to go faster,lean more,and have more control in corners.

I have only begun to really learn and be cognizant of counter-steering and body positioning since June of this year,so I am pretty much a noob when it comes to leaning.

I am only 5'5" and have short legs,and in the past I usually ride with my crotch right up against the tank(that makes bumps or potential tankslappers really painful on my nuts!).

So just today,I shifted my butt further back in the heart of the seat,maybe 3-4 inches away from the tank and placed the middle of my feet on the pegs of the rearsets,hence a little further back also.

I noticed a HUGE difference!The bike felt lighter.My hands did not feel so heavy or death gripped on the bars.Even though I don't have stomp grips,I actually felt more in control of the bike by NOW gripping the tank area(JUST LATERAL OF MY PRO-GRIP TANK PROTECTOR STICKER) with my knees and shifted my butt half off the seat into corners.

PG,I am still working on looking past the apex and corner exit,"eating" the mirror,keeping my chest down,and sticking my inner elbow out which I find to be quite effective.

Sorry for this long post,but hopefully you two or others, can chime in further with more tips,especially with speed in corners since I am averaging between 40 to 80 kmph in most tight corners as opposed to long sweeping ones where my speed is usually higher.Finally,is it ok to keep it in 4th gear in corners? My riding buddy on an '06 R6 keeps his bike in third for corners which he is really good at throwing his bike into and with a lean angle way greater than mine at the moment.THIS is due to my having CTS in both hands/wrists ,thus I feel smoother and more in control or less rev happy of the throttle while in 4th,most of the time(just started that habit earlier today!!!).

P.S. I want to thank that other member ArrhythmiA for posting his thread "Mutant arms" in this section also,and I have yet to watch "Twist of the wrist 2" as mentioned in this section also in "Cornering tips".

Thanks in advance for any future helpful posts as track days are few and far in between in my neck of the woods.
In regards to which gear you should be in... That can vary depending on how hard you're riding and how much you want to power out of corners. Some days I will stay in the higher gears simply because I'm having fun leaning and enjoying the ride.... Remember... when you drop to a lower gear you're going to bump into the higher rev range and thus... more horsepower. So powering out of corners in 3rd might have more potential for rear wheel slipping. Whereas in 4th there's not as much torque getting to the groun so the power out of the turn is more manageable.

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Thanks MoM for this write-up,especially the 2 points wherein you stated that when you hang off of your bike,you actually lean less and that you have passed riders with way more lean than you in corners.

The second point that you made was that the more skilled you are on your bike,the faster you will go.

With that being said,they both affect me in a sense that I want to go faster,lean more,and have more control in corners.

I have only begun to really learn and be cognizant of counter-steering and body positioning since June of this year,so I am pretty much a noob when it comes to leaning.

I am only 5'5" and have short legs,and in the past I usually ride with my crotch right up against the tank(that makes bumps or potential tankslappers really painful on my nuts!).

So just today,I shifted my butt further back in the heart of the seat,maybe 3-4 inches away from the tank and placed the middle of my feet on the pegs of the rearsets,hence a little further back also.

I noticed a HUGE difference!The bike felt lighter.My hands did not feel so heavy or death gripped on the bars.Even though I don't have stomp grips,I actually felt more in control of the bike by NOW gripping the tank area(JUST LATERAL OF MY PRO-GRIP TANK PROTECTOR STICKER) with my knees and shifted my butt half off the seat into corners.

PG,I am still working on looking past the apex and corner exit,"eating" the mirror,keeping my chest down,and sticking my inner elbow out which I find to be quite effective.

Sorry for this long post,but hopefully you two or others, can chime in further with more tips,especially with speed in corners since I am averaging between 40 to 80 kmph in most tight corners as opposed to long sweeping ones where my speed is usually higher.Finally,is it ok to keep it in 4th gear in corners? My riding buddy on an '06 R6 keeps his bike in third for corners which he is really good at throwing his bike into and with a lean angle way greater than mine at the moment.THIS is due to my having CTS in both hands/wrists ,thus I feel smoother and more in control or less rev happy of the throttle while in 4th,most of the time(just started that habit earlier today!!!).

P.S. I want to thank that other member ArrhythmiA for posting his thread "Mutant arms" in this section also,and I have yet to watch "Twist of the wrist 2" as mentioned in this section also in "Cornering tips".

Thanks in advance for any future helpful posts as track days are few and far in between in my neck of the woods.
I forgot what year of bike you have but let me start by saying that the R6 is a completely different bike than these ZX6Rs. You're talking about a bike that is high-end powered so they really bog in the low RPM's, which would explain why he is in 3rd. The R6 doesn't get into it's powerband until well after 14,000 rpms so he can rev the shit out of it before it has as much pull as yours does. Having ridden them both, I can also attest to the fact that your bike handles (assuming it's an 09) well but the R6 is by far one of the most nimble machines I've ever ridden; which also explains why it appears that he can throw it into corners easier.

I have had friends tell me that there is a stark contrast in my riding when between my R6 and my 636 (which is running relatively outdated suspension). My kawi feels like a pig, but she has the mid range that lets me keep it smooth while still having a lot of torque, but my R6 is so damn nimble that I can come into corners much faster because I know it will just fall into it.

Lastly, do what is comfortable for you. In tight corners the LAST thing you want to do when you're in full lean is chop the throttle or snap it shut. If you are still working on throttle control, it is probably better to keep yourself in a rev-range that allows a little margin of error.
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This was a very informative thread,Thank you. Although i must admit i have a bit of the peer pressure issue i always feel if they blow past me doing 120 they must want me to keep up.
Time to adjust my thinking.

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Great Info

Thanks for sharing that, it proves we can leave egos out of it to an extent, great read also, Thanks MOM
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I enjoyed reading all the turning tips. I recently stepped up from a 250 to a zx6r a couple of months ago. I am a female 5'4 130lbs - with that being said I find turning hard. I think I may need to take an experienced rider course as a refresher. I lowered the bike a 1.25 inches, and was told to leave the forks alone, so maybe the lowering makes me feel a lil less stable in turns. Also this bike is heavier than my 250 in every way. I will continue to read and take what I learn onto the street to practice.
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I enjoyed reading all the turning tips. I recently stepped up from a 250 to a zx6r a couple of months ago. I am a female 5'4 130lbs - with that being said I find turning hard. I think I may need to take an experienced rider course as a refresher. I lowered the bike a 1.25 inches, and was told to leave the forks alone, so maybe the lowering makes me feel a lil less stable in turns. Also this bike is heavier than my 250 in every way. I will continue to read and take what I learn onto the street to practice.
When you lowered the bike your didn't lower the front? If so... you basically have taken a lot of the steering geometry away. I would have the front lowered to match the rear. You'll gain much more turning ability.


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i want to chime in and admit to being stupid on occasion. I have found myself getting on the throttle, not crazy but a couple thousand rpms more than i was at prior, when going under bridges and in tunnels. Mostly because i like to hear my exhaust resonate off the bridges. I honestly only up my speed by a few MPH, though this is a foolish practice and i really only do it when noone is in front of me or im not near an intersection.


I'm sure we are all guilty of this. But after reading this thread i wont be as likely to do this in the future.
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