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post #16 of 205 Old 09-10-2011, 02:03 PM
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Good information, have the same issue with my left turns. Glad I ran into this.
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apart from the great advice on here remember to relax, dont tense up and BE CONFIDENT, a properly maintained bike can handle far more than you think

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^ much more thorough explanation.

09ZX-6R, what are your thoughts on rotating your foot on the peg so that your pressing on the end of the peg instead of the top?
Footwork is a very important part of setting up your body position. Rotating your inside foot and using your heel guard to plant your heel gives you a more solid base, allows for more accurate peg weighting, and helps align your lower body. Moving your outside foot forward and placing the arch of your foot on the peg will allow you to drive your knee into the tank harder and give that leg a break while you're not using it in the corner, allowing it to rest for the next time you turn that direction. These techniques will help you ride longer because your legs wont be tired as quickly.

Setp one: Obtain 5-8 squares of clean, dry toilet paper.
Setp two: some prefer to neatly fold while others prefer the "wad" technique, but you need to condense the squares into a thicker unit of TP.

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post #19 of 205 Old 09-10-2011, 04:55 PM
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so heres how it works...
improper foot and rider position before corner entry and prior to prepping.


proper rider and foot position prior to corner prep. (notice the feet moved back to the toes, and your ass slides to mid seat. this straitens the back and shoulders.


now to prep for your corner entry. this is where the toe meets the peg nipple and the heel rotates up onto the heel guard. this in turn allows your knee to rotate out correctly with no effort or strain.


then slide your entire body to the side of the bike (in this case, to the right) so your asscrack meets the edge of the seat and your chest is inline with the mirror.


impropper position aka being crossed up


propper position


from there you will then lean your body forward and bend your inside elbow and straiten your outside arm.


the outside arm and leg should look like this. the elbow straitened but not locked, your knee griping the tank and foot slightly forward on the peg.


then relax your body and lean the bike into the turn while looking over your elbow and remaining tucked to the inside of the bike.


at this point alot of riders and some new racers are sketchy about hanging off the throttle side because there right hand and arm are unpredictable with maintaining body posture and control. the usuall mistake is this when the body is positioned but the hands are not. notice the bent wrist. causes strain and hard throttle control.


the best hand position is this... it maintains control and is totally strain free. quite comfy too.
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^^^^ That is awesome! Thanks! I just went out myself for the first time on my bike through some twisties, I took it nice and easy, however I really wanted to get a visual on how to properly go through the corners. I did the half butt off the seat, outside knee clamped to the tank, and inside knee towards the curve, but it just felt so sketchy. I have a buddy I ride with who has a GSXR, been riding for years and he keeps telling me the bike will be able to handle so much more than I think it will. I thought I was leaning a lot, apparently I was barely leaning over according to him haha
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if you notice my avatar you can see the inside of a lean with proper body posture and knee down. its not a fast corner so my body is slightly upright. this is ok do to the fact that the g-force and angle of lean dont require to much low Center of gravity tucking.

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now to prep for your corner entry. this is where the toe meets the peg nipple and the heel rotates up onto the heel guard. this in turn allows your knee to rotate out correctly with no effort or strain.


the outside arm and leg should look like this. the elbow straitened but not locked, your knee griping the tank and foot slightly forward on the peg.
Using your outside knee into the side of the tank will allow you to control your position relative to the bike without making any unintentional inputs through the bars. Placing the peg on the arch of your foot will give your muscles on the outside leg a break. This, in conjunction with your knee in the tank, will keep you from weighting that peg and upsetting the chassis.

As for arms, I usually bring my inside elbow in just a little bit, more out of habit than technique, and use my outside forearm against the side of the tank at times. This gives me another hard point against the bike, and provides a reference of my body position and angle vs that of the bike.

One thing I would add is that once you've prepped for the corner, you're hanging off already and have your speed set and about to tip in, do not move. You've bought that real estate. That's yours to keep, but don't alter it. If you're not off far enough, tough shit, you're going to have to adjust for it with your speed and you just lost a tenth through that corner. Adjusting BP in lean and at speed will upset the chassis, and could potentially result in an off. You may find that you have some wiggle room in some corners at a given speed, but its best to not try until you're comfortable with whats going on and have built the muscle memory to avoid mistakes.

Setp one: Obtain 5-8 squares of clean, dry toilet paper.
Setp two: some prefer to neatly fold while others prefer the "wad" technique, but you need to condense the squares into a thicker unit of TP.

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heres a better view of me. same as the avatar just bigger.


heres one of full tuck, high g-force, medium lean angle, high speed corner exit and passing of 2 riders. notice how far over the side i am. the more the better and fast it will be. also, the more upright the bike can be to allow for hard acceleration.
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This thread makes me want to turn my bike into a track bike so much worse than before. Now if only I could make 40lbs dissappear from myself tomorrow and afford tires body and fees.... I can wait on the forks and shock. lol on the bright side I did replace my spongy stock lines with some stanless twin lines and holy S what a diffrence.
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Sure. I can do that.

Evil...the position of your toe will be on the peg nipple wen ur heel is rotated up onto the heel guard. Its normal but u dont want to have it so far out u drag toes in corners.
There's a reason I need a new toe slider on my right boot... part of it is how I plant the ball of my inside foot on the end of the peg and partly b/c the pegs on my track bike had an inch cut off of them to give me more clearance, so then my boot was always overhanging a bit.


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good stuff. im not as confident in my right cornering either. probably because of the throttle.

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