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post #31 of 205 Old 09-10-2011, 07:40 PM
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heres a better view of me. same as the avatar just bigger.


heres one of full tuck, high g-force, medium lean angle, high speed corner exit and passing of 2 riders. notice how far over the side i am. the more the better and fast it will be. also, the more upright the bike can be to allow for hard acceleration.
I have pics that are almost identical...





The only thing that is different is i'm not tucking my upper body down far enough which is something that i'll be working on the 17th.
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Again, awesome stuff, awesome shots. What would you suggest to someone just starting off on this kind of bike? I've been riding for 3 years now, however I learned on an old 89 EX500, and never really had to lean a bike as extreme as this. What's the best way to get comfortable with actually leaning? I put about 130mi on my bike today, and I feel so much more comfortable with it already, however I know I need to learn proper body position for turns.
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go do trackdays... a trackday will allow to push yourself and your bike comfortably while not having to worry about obstacles and cagers; plus it's great fun. laying it down at the track is more forgiving than laying it down on the streets or highways. if you go to a trackday you don't need to try and be the fastest thing out there; good lines and body position will net you quicker lap times than just trying to muscle your bike through the corners as fast as you can go. everything is learned through time and experience; so take it slow at first and try to get proper body position down first and don't be afraid to ask the more seasoned riders and the trackday for tips.
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A picture's worth a thousand words! I really wasn't visualizing the foot up on the edge of the heel guard without the picture. Thanks for the advice in this post, I need to go practice some footwork now.
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go do trackdays... a trackday will allow to push yourself and your bike comfortably while not having to worry about obstacles and cagers; plus it's great fun. laying it down at the track is more forgiving than laying it down on the streets or highways. if you go to a trackday you don't need to try and be the fastest thing out there; good lines and body position will net you quicker lap times than just trying to muscle your bike through the corners as fast as you can go. everything is learned through time and experience; so take it slow at first and try to get proper body position down first and don't be afraid to ask the more seasoned riders and the trackday for tips.
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Again, awesome stuff, awesome shots. What would you suggest to someone just starting off on this kind of bike? I've been riding for 3 years now, however I learned on an old 89 EX500, and never really had to lean a bike as extreme as this. What's the best way to get comfortable with actually leaning? I put about 130mi on my bike today, and I feel so much more comfortable with it already, however I know I need to learn proper body position for turns.
Like my Bro AZ said... seat time will get you there. one thing i try to tell new riders is to get used to the fact that you will eventually go down and not to fear it. when u think of it and it sits in the back of your head you tend to tense up and not even realize it till its too late. then you panic. then crash. So to combat this, everytime you get on, be rested. think clearly about what you plan to get out of your time out on the bike. think of proper strategy in the event of a slip-up. when u get comfy with how the bike feels and responds to your inputs then and only then will you become one with the bike and the bike will start to "sing" to you. you wont even realize it till it happens that you are in tune with it and can tell every little change that happens and how to react to them. AKA feedback. your confidence will build as time goes on. its not something you are goin to get over night. DO NOT RUSH IT! if you do you will miss the little things that matter and you will be screwed in the end. Do some track days, talk with seasoned riders, take race courses, read twist of the wrist 1 and 2. theres plenty of people on here that can help.

practice, rest, stratigize, listen and learn, repeat.
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Thanks a lot for the pics! I really could not visualize the right hand on the throttle. Your pic made it crystal clear.
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I know this has been posted, but not emphasized. CONFIDENCE. When I first started riding I was scared SHITLESS when it came to leaning the bike. However you just have to trust it enough to lean it over and you will see that she will stay up.

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I was like this to and this was some great info only thing I would add is just trust ur bike they were built for this kinda stuff so enjoy it. :-)
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I've never been conscious of counter steering, it's always been something I've just done, therefore I always forget to tell people to do it.
Once you get the body positioning down, this just happens naturally and doesn't needed to be noted, otherwise someone might give it too much attention and over do it.

One thing I can think of is the type of roads you're on. If you have alot where the right hand turns put the shoulder, ditch, gravel, etc do the side of your right hand turns, this can cause you defensive sub-conscious to affect your judgement and throw your whole corner off.

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I'll be doing my first trackday in November and this info is perfect. Have a question for you guys though that goes along with corning. I've heard/read multiple things about what the purpose of your knee being on the ground is for and was basically wondering what is true and what is bs.
Getting a knee down is the end result of good body positioning. It's a tool used to measure what your eyes can't see. You can't see how far from the ground you are while you're properly looking through a corner. By using the pucks and your knee, you can feel the ground and are able to judge how much more lean you have based on the feel of the distance your dragging puck is from your body/bike.

Keith Code explains this a million times better than I, but that's about as basic as I think I can put it.

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when your knee touches the ground its not ment to be slammed and leaned on. by no means nessassary should you do this. its only a gauge to let you know how far you are off the bike and relative to the ground at a given lean angle. when your knee touches, lift it just enough to barely skip the surface of the ground. if you feel you can lean more then do so carefully with your knee touching. this way when you feel the bike start to step out your body gains muscle memory and you will then know where your limitations are with knees down at a given angle.

DO NOT PUT WEIGHT ON YOUR KNEE!!!!! it will bite and rip you off the bike and really mess up your hip and knee. ive seen it. its not pretty.
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wow long thread so havent read them all but have you checked the bike setup to
it isnt bent or damaged in anyway is it
forks set up ok and / or tyres
also stearing head etc

had a rd250 years ago used to pull you into lefthanders frame was bent

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Wow.....this thread makes me want to stick around here. Classic example of how it used to be here. Thanks to all who participated & made me happy today.

BTW...where have you been 09??

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BTW...where have you been 09??
well for those that dont know im active duty military, so my free time is sometimes non existant. iv been working 14hr days 6 days a week. then taking care of my wife and kids. currently im in the process of seperating from service as i have done my 8 yrs and have had enough. my family is more important and my kids need me. my racing career is starting to take off, i am moving to MMI in orlando florida in 3 weeks for the next 2 yrs to better myself in the motorcycle racing and engineering fields. plus, iv started a small buisness with a friend selling a servo eliminator for our bikes that i designed. As far as the photoshoping, iv had to put it on the backburner a bit to compensate for the time. iv been modding the bike and doing alot of R&D on it for custom parts and setups. so far so good.

Soooo yeah.. thats were im at.
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DO NOT PUT WEIGHT ON YOUR KNEE!!!!! it will bite and rip you off the bike and really mess up your hip and knee. ive seen it. its not pretty.
Unless you're lowsiding and thinking you're Hacking, then dig your knee in and push yourself back up and keep riding


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