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Perfect example of what I call COW (chin-over-wrist); In that position you turn tighter while your bike being not being super leaned over and your keeping your center of gravity lower to the ground.

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I've learns a lot from reading this thread! Thanks for taking the time to do such a detailed post 09
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good thread
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Awesome info for those "learnin' to turn" Great thread.


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This is an excellent thread. I think mods need to make it a sticky. Thanks for the pics and the details 09. Threads like this are what put the purpose into these forums. Not just because of the pics, but the active discussion.

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Quick question to you guys...well, after I try to explain what I am doing. No I am not racing at 100+ MPH down the freeway so we can squash that future rant lol. I have been setting myself up early for the turns to get used to that body position and was having issues with feeling like I am not getting enough grip with my legs...almost like I am slipping off the seat. What I've tried doing, and it seems to be working quite well actually, is clinching my outside cheek and basically driving my outside hip and groin into the tank. Is this close to what you guys are doing or are my hips not where they should be and I am just compensating? Hope that makes sense
your over comp.ing a bit. your outside knee should be planted into the crease of the tank. i highly recommend tank pads to assist your knees. adds a bit more grip to the tank sides. if you feel your knee isnt planted enough then you should adjust your body forward a bit more to help. this will force your thy and knee to work together in grip on the tank side. dont get to close to the tank tho. your body will cause forward momentum of weight when you lean in and over. it upsets the suspension a bit. and can caue slight wheel wabble and slip the nose a bit. not to devastating if you know its happening and can correct it, but it can scare you if you dont realize it happening. another thing is if you feel your body is trembling while holding you up, then you need to first hydrate more as well as work out your legs more. you may hear riders say to be relaxed on the bikes bars. well the same goes for the seat. your body should be so relaxed that your planted on it. or off it. even in full lean, your should be relaxed enough to let go of the bars and the bike will stay put. posture is huge. its like 80% of your riding ability. if one thing is off then the rest will be wrong and you find your self over comping to fix it. it sound like your getting crossed up to the outside. which is bad ju ju. dont rotate your outside hip at all. u may not realize it, and it may feel more comfy to you, but the bike and your corner ability are suffering. go thru the pic i posted. look at it very close. replicate it as much as you can. take pics of yourself or have someone ride behind you with a cam. you will be amazed at what you do wrong. or right.
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This is an AWESOME thread... Bookmarked!
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What is the actual point of putting your knee on the ground? From reading, that say not to put pressure on it so it cant be for support? Is it mostly just getting more weight farther off the side of the bike?
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the knee to the ground is used for a lean angle gauge. lets you know how far over you are and where you are in relation to the ground. most experienced riders know what the max lean is on there bike and where it relates when the knee touches ground. ist used as a "hey im about maxed out" tool.

in very rare instances, its used to save a lowside with moderate control.

if you watch AMA or MGP, you see them touch the knee and lift it. at that point they know where they are in lean angles at given speeds.
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that actually makes a lot of sense. Because sometimes I see the pros not even have thier knee out and they are just as low as the ones with the knee out.

Very cool. Really want to start racing...
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well its hard to explain properly without a visual. but, ill try... prior to entering your corner you should be preped for entry. meaning you body position should be already proper. upon entering your ass should be mid way up the seat and your asscrack should be on the inside edge of the seat, or pad, which ever u have. your feet should be set so that the balls of your feet are on the pegs. your knee to the inside should be pointed out wards and your inside heel should be rotated up onto the heel guard. this will assist your knee in the propper position. your outside knee should be planted against the tank to hold your body weight. then your upper body should also be low and inline with the inside of the bike where your mirror is or should be to include your head. your outside arm should be semi strait over the tank and your inside arm should be damn near 90 degrees at the elbow. your head should be looking over your elbow and thru the turn. now alot of people are a bit uncomfortable with leaning in on the throttle side. this is due to the fact that they may twitch the throttle by accident and get screwed up. the best method to combat this issue is to turn your inside hand outward inline with your forearm when bent. in other words, not to sound dirty, it should look as if your stroking the throttle from the outside. get it? this way you can control the throttle and front brake properly without the feeling of strain on your wrists. if you need i will post pics. let me know. Im a race coach here at the local tracks. so this is something we deal with alot.

eviltwin also is correct. the faster the corner then the more your body position plays into it.
I would like some pics please? Proper body position is what I'm really working on right now.

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so heres how it works...
improper foot and rider position before corner entry and prior to prepping.


proper rider and foot position prior to corner prep. (notice the feet moved back to the toes, and your ass slides to mid seat. this straitens the back and shoulders.


now to prep for your corner entry. this is where the toe meets the peg nipple and the heel rotates up onto the heel guard. this in turn allows your knee to rotate out correctly with no effort or strain.


then slide your entire body to the side of the bike (in this case, to the right) so your asscrack meets the edge of the seat and your chest is inline with the mirror.


impropper position aka being crossed up


propper position


from there you will then lean your body forward and bend your inside elbow and straiten your outside arm.


the outside arm and leg should look like this. the elbow straitened but not locked, your knee griping the tank and foot slightly forward on the peg.


then relax your body and lean the bike into the turn while looking over your elbow and remaining tucked to the inside of the bike.


at this point alot of riders and some new racers are sketchy about hanging off the throttle side because there right hand and arm are unpredictable with maintaining body posture and control. the usuall mistake is this when the body is positioned but the hands are not. notice the bent wrist. causes strain and hard throttle control.


the best hand position is this... it maintains control and is totally strain free. quite comfy too.


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thanks PG for the repost...
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Turn the fricken bar and lean that bitch over.
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