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Question Cornering: Need some advise!

Hi All,

I am faced with this strange issue going into Right Hand Corners. I always overshoot and find my self in trouble if I am trying to make a hard right corner.

No problem what so ever with left hand corners, I can literally turn at 30 degree angles (or less even!) without my knee down.

What am I doing wrong and what do I need to do to get better at it?
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slide your but towards the inside. put your head towards the inside mirror. smooth throttle. look through turn.
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Slow corners or fast corners? the main thing is to look where you want to go, but body position is dictated by speed. In a slow corner, like really slow, you lean the bike over and keep your body upright. Any time your trying to take a corner as fast as possible, you should scoot off the seat, drop your upper body down to the right side (or left if you going left) of the tank, and look though the corner along the line you want to take.
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well its hard to explain properly without a visual. but, ill try... prior to entering your corner you should be preped for entry. meaning you body position should be already proper. upon entering your ass should be mid way up the seat and your asscrack should be on the inside edge of the seat, or pad, which ever u have. your feet should be set so that the balls of your feet are on the pegs. your knee to the inside should be pointed out wards and your inside heel should be rotated up onto the heel guard. this will assist your knee in the propper position. your outside knee should be planted against the tank to hold your body weight. then your upper body should also be low and inline with the inside of the bike where your mirror is or should be to include your head. your outside arm should be semi strait over the tank and your inside arm should be damn near 90 degrees at the elbow. your head should be looking over your elbow and thru the turn. now alot of people are a bit uncomfortable with leaning in on the throttle side. this is due to the fact that they may twitch the throttle by accident and get screwed up. the best method to combat this issue is to turn your inside hand outward inline with your forearm when bent. in other words, not to sound dirty, it should look as if your stroking the throttle from the outside. get it? this way you can control the throttle and front brake properly without the feeling of strain on your wrists. if you need i will post pics. let me know. Im a race coach here at the local tracks. so this is something we deal with alot.

eviltwin also is correct. the faster the corner then the more your body position plays into it.

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^ much more thorough explanation.

09ZX-6R, what are your thoughts on rotating your foot on the peg so that your pressing on the end of the peg instead of the top?


If you want the breakdown on fuel management systems, take some time to read this thread.
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Obviously, I didn't ask the original question, but I could use the advice. Your explanation is very detailed; the problem is I have practically no imagination and cannot visualize what you are describing. Particularly the arm/hand position. I would find the pictures you mentioned very helpful, if you wouldn't mind.

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well its hard to explain properly without a visual. but, ill try... prior to entering your corner you should be preped for entry. meaning you body position should be already proper. upon entering your ass should be mid way up the seat and your asscrack should be on the inside edge of the seat, or pad, which ever u have. your feet should be set so that the balls of your feet are on the pegs. your knee to the inside should be pointed out wards and your inside heel should be rotated up onto the heel guard. this will assist your knee in the propper position. your outside knee should be planted against the tank to hold your body weight. then your upper body should also be low and inline with the inside of the bike where your mirror is or should be to include your head. your outside arm should be semi strait over the tank and your inside arm should be damn near 90 degrees at the elbow. your head should be looking over your elbow and thru the turn. now alot of people are a bit uncomfortable with leaning in on the throttle side. this is due to the fact that they may twitch the throttle by accident and get screwed up. the best method to combat this issue is to turn your inside hand outward inline with your forearm when bent. in other words, not to sound dirty, it should look as if your stroking the throttle from the outside. get it? this way you can control the throttle and front brake properly without the feeling of strain on your wrists. if you need i will post pics. let me know. Im a race coach here at the local tracks. so this is something we deal with alot.

eviltwin also is correct. the faster the corner then the more your body position plays into it.
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well its hard to explain properly without a visual. but, ill try... prior to entering your corner you should be preped for entry. meaning you body position should be already proper. upon entering your ass should be mid way up the seat and your asscrack should be on the inside edge of the seat, or pad, which ever u have. your feet should be set so that the balls of your feet are on the pegs. your knee to the inside should be pointed out wards and your inside heel should be rotated up onto the heel guard. this will assist your knee in the propper position. your outside knee should be planted against the tank to hold your body weight. then your upper body should also be low and inline with the inside of the bike where your mirror is or should be to include your head. your outside arm should be semi strait over the tank and your inside arm should be damn near 90 degrees at the elbow. your head should be looking over your elbow and thru the turn. now alot of people are a bit uncomfortable with leaning in on the throttle side. this is due to the fact that they may twitch the throttle by accident and get screwed up. the best method to combat this issue is to turn your inside hand outward inline with your forearm when bent. in other words, not to sound dirty, it should look as if your stroking the throttle from the outside. get it? this way you can control the throttle and front brake properly without the feeling of strain on your wrists. if you need i will post pics. let me know. Im a race coach here at the local tracks. so this is something we deal with alot.

eviltwin also is correct. the faster the corner then the more your body position plays into it.
I've been told with all of this too that I should push my shoulders inline with the curve to help avoid riding crossed up. Comments on this advice given to me?

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I think we forgot to mention counter steering.
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^ much more thorough explanation.

09ZX-6R, what are your thoughts on rotating your foot on the peg so that your pressing on the end of the peg instead of the top?
LOL yea... hey good info though..
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I think we forgot to mention counter steering.
I've never been conscious of counter steering, it's always been something I've just done, therefore I always forget to tell people to do it.
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well its hard to explain properly without a visual. but, ill try... prior to entering your corner you should be preped for entry. meaning you body position should be already proper. upon entering your ass should be mid way up the seat and your asscrack should be on the inside edge of the seat, or pad, which ever u have. your feet should be set so that the balls of your feet are on the pegs. your knee to the inside should be pointed out wards and your inside heel should be rotated up onto the heel guard. this will assist your knee in the propper position. your outside knee should be planted against the tank to hold your body weight. then your upper body should also be low and inline with the inside of the bike where your mirror is or should be to include your head. your outside arm should be semi strait over the tank and your inside arm should be damn near 90 degrees at the elbow. your head should be looking over your elbow and thru the turn. now alot of people are a bit uncomfortable with leaning in on the throttle side. this is due to the fact that they may twitch the throttle by accident and get screwed up. the best method to combat this issue is to turn your inside hand outward inline with your forearm when bent. in other words, not to sound dirty, it should look as if your stroking the throttle from the outside. get it? this way you can control the throttle and front brake properly without the feeling of strain on your wrists. if you need i will post pics. let me know. Im a race coach here at the local tracks. so this is something we deal with alot.

eviltwin also is correct. the faster the corner then the more your body position plays into it.
Great advise... would you mind posting pics if you have them?
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Great advise... would you mind posting pics if you have them?
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Sure. I can do that.

Evil...the position of your toe will be on the peg nipple wen ur heel is rotated up onto the heel guard. Its normal but u dont want to have it so far out u drag toes in corners.
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