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post #46 of 298 Old 08-07-2009, 08:56 PM
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i dont have any sliders so i still have chicken strips... but i don't mind, they go great with bbq sauce.
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i got about a half inch on the back tire...kust getting more and more comfortable in the corners and taking my time
same as mate, im still getting into being comfortable leaning a lot, everytime i go out i can feel the difference and is so enjoyable...just wanna do it bit by bit so i dont end up throwin my ride down the road!!
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if your knee sliders aren't sliding, you're going to have chicken strips.
running a set of 190/55 power race mediums, there's 1/2" left and knees are down

then again when you start getting into the taller tires you have a huge patch on the asphalt and it lets you put your elbow down along with the knee if you got big enough balls and the skills to back it up (neither of which i have)
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running a set of 190/55 power race mediums, there's 1/2" left and knees are down

then again when you start getting into the taller tires you have a huge patch on the asphalt and it lets you put your elbow down along with the knee if you got big enough balls and the skills to back it up (neither of which i have)
Seems like my pegs would scrape before that. I went on a ride a few weeks ago and hit one corner hard enough to scrape my right toe, but I still have chicken strips on that side.


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Seems like my pegs would scrape before that. I went on a ride a few weeks ago and hit one corner hard enough to scrape my right toe, but I still have chicken strips on that side.
You're not hanging off far enough, so the bike is leaning a lot further than it has to. That's why you're dragging hardware and not body parts.

I've had the same knee pucks for about a year, and they still look brand new, so I went and did circles in a parking lot the other day to grind 'em down a bit. I got my left knee down, then went to work on the right side. It seems a bit harder, I think I need to concentrate on my body position more...but on the left side I can get it down, then lean the bike a bit more and pull my knee back in towards my body a bit, so I'm not reaching for the ground but more like letting it come to me. It's an amazing feeling. I tried to drag my elbow, but wasn't over far enough. I'm kind of afraid that if I do finally drag my elbow, I may end up dragging my hip, shoulder, and helmet as well The first time I got my knee down I was like "omg I'm going to get sucked right under the back tire!"

I'm going back to that same parking lot later this week with a friend and a camera. I'll get my elbow down, and make sure I get pics for you

Setp one: Obtain 5-8 squares of clean, dry toilet paper.
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You're not hanging off far enough, so the bike is leaning a lot further than it has to. That's why you're dragging hardware and not body parts.
I wont argue with you there, i know i'm not getting off the bike enough... well definitely not in that corner, but i don't have knee sliders
However if my toe is scraping then my peg is about to scrape which means that the bike is over almost as far as possible which means the chicken strips should be scrubbed off; right?


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However if my toe is scraping then my peg is about to scrape which means that the bike is over almost as far as possible which means the chicken strips should be scrubbed off; right?
That's what they want you to think

put your bike up on a stand, take a broomstick or some other straight edge, and make a straight line between your peg and the outer edge of where your tire is scrubbed. have someone else hold it there, then step back and look at the angle You have PLENTY of lean angle left before you have to start worrying about low siding...assuming you're right hand can control that lean angle and respect your tire's contact patch.

You should pick up a copy of Sport Riding Techniques (~$25 on Amazon). It will help your riding TREMENDOUSLY. I thought I knew what I was doing, but since I started reading it a few months ago I've seen my riding improve exponentially.

Setp one: Obtain 5-8 squares of clean, dry toilet paper.
Setp two: some prefer to neatly fold while others prefer the "wad" technique, but you need to condense the squares into a thicker unit of TP.

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You're not hanging off far enough,
yep, as he says... don't be afraid to hang off the bike man! i couldn't count the number of times you see someone slide a few inches over and then it looks like they are about to pop their hip out of socket by hyper extending their knees to make up for the 12" they're missing between them and the asphalt

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However if my toe is scraping then my peg is about to scrape which means that the bike is over almost as far as possible which means the chicken strips should be scrubbed off; right?
incorrect, scraping your toe only means you have improper positioning (with chicken strips left). you can scrape your foot and still have another 15 degrees of lean to pull down before your knee gets close to the pavement. (if your bike's ride height is stock or has been properly setup)
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yep, as he says... don't be afraid to hang off the bike man! i couldn't count the number of times you see someone slide a few inches over and then it looks like they are about to pop their hip out of socket by hyper extending their knees to make up for the 12" they're missing between them and the asphalt
I'm getting there, I only have three good days of riding twisties, and only the last one was I with riders advanced enough to drag knee and I was watching and learning. If there were more twisties nearby I could practice more, but they're all 1 hour + away, so I dun get much time on them; especially since I won't ride alone, makes it harder to get out there.


If you want the breakdown on fuel management systems, take some time to read this thread.
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ummm you've only been riding a few days on some twisties and trying to get your knee down?

do yourself a favor and forget about that right now, you need to practice a hell of alot more safety stuff right now than cornering fast.... i'd suggest to start with corner braking and emergency stops, spend about a month on that

watch some videos (not youtube squid videos), read some books and go to a trackday or 10.
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+1. I thought you had a bit more experience than that?

Sounds like you have some parking lot love in your near future

Setp one: Obtain 5-8 squares of clean, dry toilet paper.
Setp two: some prefer to neatly fold while others prefer the "wad" technique, but you need to condense the squares into a thicker unit of TP.

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I've been riding for 10 months now, so I get corner braking and emergency stops every day around town with all the idiot cagers. I just don't get a lot of time out in the country to really use the bike to it's full potential, so when I'm out there I practice my form. Also if i go practice in a parking lot around here I'm likely to get the cops called on me. people always assume the worst about us bikers


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what you're doing in town is just normal riding. you need to really practice this stuff.

whatever level you ride at, you need to have the experience to stop from that level too. if you're riding more than 25% of the machine's capability around town, you need to skip this forum and go directly into the racing circuit. There's alot of confusion from people that don't understand the limits of how far a motorcycle can actually go, and how far they are going towards that level.

a good example of this, about a month ago me and some friends were riding, one had a cbr he just bought that was lowered (he raised it back up after this happened) going around a smooth sweeper, we usually take them about 110-120 or so and his bike pushed hard since it was lowered so he hit the brakes hard, me about 10 feet behind him at the time hit the brakes so hard that the nose dove down broke the fender and another piece. threw my weight all the way off the bike, let off the brake, gassed it and pulled to the inside of him to make the turn. while that was happening I knew if I was on the brakes long I would overshoot the turn and end up in a field, I had to worry about him coming to the inside and about oncoming traffic, all of this going on and I had no idea what made the sound of something breaking off and in the time frame of about 4-5 seconds.

Someone that doesn't practice these things would have panic braked and went right off the road. when you practice stuff like that constantly, it becomes instinct and the shit has already happened before you knew it was coming.

it's not to knock anything you've done man, but don't think a car pulling out in front of you is "good practice"

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great thread, im really listening
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Ok I feel like were going on a lot of assumptions here. I never actually said I was trying to get my knee down, I was discussing lean angles on my bike and their relation to chicken strips. Yes on my last trip to the twisties I was getting off my seat a good bit, but it never crossed my mind that I was ready to scrape pavement w/ or w/o sliders, I merely said I was watching the guys who could do this and learning from it. I also said I'd had three good days on the twisties, meaning 5+ hours on really twisty roads. There are other occasions where i've been on roads that are curvy (rare in central Ohio), but I don't count those as "times on the twisties," b/c they were just part of a ride to a destination that happened to hit decent roads.

All that being said I totally agree that I need more practice so that I develop the right reflexes, unfortunately it's been raining every other day here lately which has screwed up a lot of weekend rides out to the fun roads.

Oh and Selfinfliction, are you talking 120km through those sweepers b/c I've never come across something that could be classified as a turn that could be taken at 120mph; that's more of a bend.


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