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post #31 of 43 Old 07-31-2013, 02:52 PM
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Great read...Code talks a lot about throttle control AND trail braking. I'm a noob, but it all seems to come down to loading/unloading the front and rear smoothly, and for max effective use of tires and suspension.
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Size of the contact patch is not really what gives you grip--it's the amount of weight on the tire. By accelerating, you're shifting more weight to the back tire, and the act of pressing the rear tire and the road together harder is what gives you more grip back there. Same with braking before a corner. Now, the contact patch area does increase as a byproduct of adding more weight to a tire, assuming constant pressure.
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Size of the contact patch is not really what gives you grip--it's the amount of weight on the tire. By accelerating, you're shifting more weight to the back tire, and the act of pressing the rear tire and the road together harder is what gives you more grip back there. Same with braking before a corner. Now, the contact patch area does increase as a byproduct of adding more weight to a tire, assuming constant pressure.
A larger contact patcch is created due to more weight... Also due to lower pressures (hence on a road pressures are 36/42 but on a track it is arond 30/28. Decreading pressure give more grip at the demise of tyre life, nothing to do with weight which means that it must be contact patch = grip
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A larger contact patcch is created due to more weight... Also due to lower pressures (hence on a road pressures are 36/42 but on a track it is arond 30/28. Decreading pressure give more grip at the demise of tyre life, nothing to do with weight which means that it must be contact patch = grip
Reducing the pressure has other affects on grip such as increasing the tire temp, which affects the coefficient of friction. Once you get past a certain point, a bigger contact patch will result in less grip and overheating tires. Grip = coefficient of static friction times weight on the tire.
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Too much, too little, juuuuusssst right. Tire pressure, contact patch, etc. is about finding that happy medium to get the best grip out of a particular tire with your bike setup. Manufacture data is the best place to start and tire vendors at the track normally have all of that, street and race tires.

Also, most tires get most grip right when the tire is spinning up just a smidgen.

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Great read...Code talks a lot about throttle control AND trail braking. I'm a noob, but it all seems to come down to loading/unloading the front and rear smoothly, and for max effective use of tires and suspension.
You got it. The tires can take a huge load, just not all at once.
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Riding all year round makes you a better rider in the sense that you have to be smooth in the rain. Smooth is fast and fast is smooth
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Cheap ass kids dirt bikes as well. That way you don't care if you push it too hard and crash because you'll bounce right back up and figure out what you did wrong. Also, variety is good with bikes.
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Cheap ass kids dirt bikes as well. That way you don't care if you push it too hard and crash because you'll bounce right back up and figure out what you did wrong. Also, variety is good with bikes.
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Has anyone noticed that Twist Of The Wrist uses Ninja's ontrack and in the Sag adjustment addendum? Hell yeah!!

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Good thread
Great info

...just wanted to comment quickly on the Quick Flick. I remember Keith Code stressing it in the movie, but I never thought much of the technique till I saw it first hand up close
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So I'm riding with one of my mentors (plasma blue 08 zx10, 22k miles), I was on my 06 RR at the time...we were kinda playin cat and mouse on the highway with exit ramps and the clover leaves etc...anyway i was keepin up pretty good till he introduced me to the quick flick goin into a downhill, right hand, cloverleaf which was a completely blind curve btw(and this was at night)...
One of the few times I've ever been afraid to follow...he instantly and insanely went from having the bike upright to damn near max lean angle ...is his defense he's a complete pure rider, very disciplined

I guess the super quick flick is not for the faint of heart
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Has anyone noticed that Twist Of The Wrist uses Ninja's ontrack and in the Sag adjustment addendum? Hell yeah!!
not a coincidence..

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it seems him and Keith Code differ a lot in certain areas. Keith says get all your braking done, then flick it into the corner. Nick says use your brakes to help with steering geometry and getting the bike turned, dont flick.

guess it just goes to show you there is more than one way of doing things!

Nick Ienatsch also authored "The Pace 2.0" in the Sep. '13 issue of Cycle World. More of the same saged advice.
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