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post #31 of 58 Old 01-29-2016, 06:37 PM
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Ummm why...

Why does America need a sportbike?

Pizza is not American there Mr Trump...

Do you really believe an American company will be able to produce a sportbike comparable in price and performance to any of the European much less Japanesse producers at this point?
If you do I have a bridge and some swamp land in Florida I'd like to sell you.
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Because it's what I want... There are plenty of people out there like me. You just not one of them.
If you mean delusional and not based in reality then yes you are right.
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. Who cares dude. For the most part motorcycle enthusiasts are known to welcome diversity of different engines, makes, models and technology. I personally loved the sound of the EBR and would welcome further development.

On a different note, who wouldn't kill to have a Britten V1000? Affordable or attainable? Absolutely not, but innovators make those classics happen.

Lighten up.
Dude obviuosly he cares...

Did I ever say I don't welcome diversity or advances in technical development.

I just questioned the validity of his statement that America "needs" to produce a sportbike.... Why? Other than because it's as American as pizza... and that's what he wants
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Personally, I am somewhat surprised that Victory hasn't stepped up and bought it.

Going through the list of motorcycle companies that could afford the purchase, and would benefit from the design, innovation, and marketability is somewhat difficult to sort out.

First teir competitors -- the Japanese Big Four, HD, possibly Triumph don't need anything EBC would provide them.

The Italian conglomeration already has enough small brands with quirky clientelle that they would be hard pressed to expand that market, and already have a dealer network at least as well established as anything EBC must have in place.

Were I the owners of the EBC brand, I'd be talking with someone like CostCo, or Amazon. It's not so much about the product as it is the distribution network, and marketing, IMHO. If HD can continue to sell what is arguably a product which is more expensive and functionally inferior on a pound for pound basis to almost everyone that may compete.......
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Dude obviuosly he cares...

Did I ever say I don't welcome diversity or advances in technical development.

I just questioned the validity of his statement that America "needs" to produce a sportbike....
Dude just woke up on the wrong side of the bed (yesterday and today)... Try tolling (rolling) out of the other side tomorrow...

Should I go back and change it to Hamburger? Would that make you happy? (which I like too, but honestly prefer pizza)

Or how about if I said Fried Chicken... Thats pretty American too... But I hate the stuff... Or baseball... although I really don't follow sports...

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Why? Other than because it's as American as pizza... and that's what he wants
Precisely...

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Dude just woke up on the wrong side of the bed (yesterday and today)... Try tolling (rolling) out of the other side tomorrow...

Should I go back and change it to Hamburger? Would that make you happy? (which I like too, but honestly prefer pizza)

Or how about if I said Fried Chicken... Thats pretty American too... But I hate the stuff... Or baseball... although I really don't follow sports...



Precisely...
Funny you say that's what you want, put your money where your mouth is, how many EBRs or Buells did you own? Did you support the American products when they were for sale or you just like saying it to feel patriotic. Cause according to your signature I only see Japanese and European bikes.

And what would really make me happy is if you read more and stopped living in your little bubble, hamburger like pizza also did not originate in America, but Hamburg,Germany..

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Funny you say that's what you want, put your money where your mouth is, how many EBRs or Buells did you own? Did you support the American products when they were for sale or you just like saying it to feel patriotic. Cause according to your signature I only see Japanese and European bikes.

And what would really make me happy is if you read more and stopped living in your little bubble, hamburger like pizza also did not originate in America, but Hamburg,Germany..
Fried chicken is from Europe to, it actually came from the Scottish...

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[QUOTE=hellonearth;1084731]Yeah the article rose shared a long time ago is basically the last update that i know of:

Motorcycle Therapy: The Michael Czysz Story


Unfortunately Michael has succumbed to the disease he so valiantly fought. He was a graceful and genuine soul to the end. Without Michael, Moto Czysz lost its creative muse and is essentially shuttered.


The U.S. theoretically could build a world class sportbike, but it never will. EBR was still-born from the get-go. Though Buell had some interesting ideas, it's like making a cake, or writing code: garbage in, garbage out. He vainly attempted to make a silk purse from a sow's ear. He was doomed when he wedded himself to the notion of using H-D motors.

Americans are simply not interested in Motorcycles in sufficient numbers. It might not set well with those of us whom possess great passions for sportbikes, but examine H-D. They have to have the most over paid engineers in all of the auto/moto world. Why? Because they've designed no new engine format since 1936, with modest changes up to the present, air cooled 45-degree pushrod V-twin. The "if it ain't broke, don't fix it mentality is only unimaginative tripe. Their engineers are so lazy/staid that they were too ill-equipped to design the H²O cooled, overhead cammed, 60-degree V-Rod motor; H-D had to farm the job out to Porsche.

The former Axis countries are making innovative genré leading sportbikes. Using cutting edge designs, manufacturing methods, materials, and distribution practices. Arguably, we've even been bested by the U.K. with Triumph's laudable Daytona 675 & 675R. It gives me no pleasure to say, the U.S. just doesn't have the will to put forth a viable effort.
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Do you have a source for his death? I knew it was "imminent" (he did to) but i just wanna read the article if there is one. obviously you live in Oregon, so it was probably a local thing. I just hate that none of the big mags picked up the passing of such an influential and awesome person.
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And what would really make me happy is if you read more and stopped living in your little bubble, hamburger like pizza also did not originate in America, but Hamburg,Germany..
Actually the hamburger that originated in Hamburg was more like a steak, just the patty. What is widely known as a hamburger today originated in America.

Nice try though.
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I rode the RX at a demo day. Nice bike, different, but I'd rather spend that money on something else with a proven background. Also went on a ride a couple years earlier when the factory rep was making his way around the country signing up dealers. Bike in pic was the first bike (prior to RX and SX) with carbon fiber and race exhaust.
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The U.S. theoretically could build a world class sportbike, but it never will.
I respectfully disagree.

Granted, it's around 50k, but hey, first adopters are gonna pay through the nose for any new tech.

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Personally, I am somewhat surprised that Victory hasn't stepped up and bought it.

Going through the list of motorcycle companies that could afford the purchase, and would benefit from the design, innovation, and marketability is somewhat difficult to sort out.

First teir competitors -- the Japanese Big Four, HD, possibly Triumph don't need anything EBC would provide them.

The Italian conglomeration already has enough small brands with quirky clientelle that they would be hard pressed to expand that market, and already have a dealer network at least as well established as anything EBC must have in place.

Were I the owners of the EBC brand, I'd be talking with someone like CostCo, or Amazon. It's not so much about the product as it is the distribution network, and marketing, IMHO. If HD can continue to sell what is arguably a product which is more expensive and functionally inferior on a pound for pound basis to almost everyone that may compete.......
Polaris owns Victory. Victory builds only "American cruisers" at the moment. Polaris builds good looking crap. (I've sold their products and they're not build very well). I would stay even further away from EBR if the name Victory OR Polaris came anywhere close to it.

Buell's were horrible bikes. Heavy and cumbersome... their attempts at sport bikes were dismal. The EBR was the first time they did anything with any potential... but it was too late. They were destined to fail.

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Funny you say that's what you want, put your money where your mouth is, how many EBRs or Buells did you own? Did you support the American products when they were for sale or you just like saying it to feel patriotic. Cause according to your signature I only see Japanese and European bikes.

And what would really make me happy is if you read more and stopped living in your little bubble, hamburger like pizza also did not originate in America, but Hamburg,Germany..
Smokey.... you need to get laid bro. Seriously... it's funny how a little banter and goofing off can ruffle your feathers so easily.

People are allowed to want whatever they want and have opinions about a theoretical revival of a less than spectacular company. Lighten up buddy.

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I saw an EBR at a local dealer for sale just the other day and was impressed with a lot of the unique features of the bike. I wouldn't go so far as to call it a beautiful bike but it isn't pig-ugly or anything and there were small details that were very interesting to take in over a full inspection. Like others have said, I'd really love there to be a legitimate North American competitor in the sport bike market and I don't think that is at all out of the realm of possibility. Look at BMW for instance. They had no really competitive sport bikes before the S1000RR launched and they swung a home run with that design. HD, Polaris, Can-Am (Canadian) etc easily have the resources to build a competitive sport bike if the will was there.
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