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post #46 of 58 Old 02-06-2016, 01:24 PM
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Funny you say that's what you want, put your money where your mouth is, how many EBRs or Buells did you own? Did you support the American products when they were for sale or you just like saying it to feel patriotic. Cause according to your signature I only see Japanese and European bikes.

And what would really make me happy is if you read more and stopped living in your little bubble, hamburger like pizza also did not originate in America, but Hamburg,Germany..
Much like Pizza (in its current form), The hamburger in (its current form) originated in the US.

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Fried chicken is from Europe to, it actually came from the Scottish...
And Chinese AND African origins...

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But why is it called SOUTHERN Fried Chicken and not Scottish Fried/Chinese Fried/African Fried Chicken?

Stop hating dude... All brought to a multicultural country of immigrants calling themselves Americans... thus being american things...


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Yeah the article rose shared a long time ago is basically the last update that i know of:

Motorcycle Therapy: The Michael Czysz Story


Unfortunately Michael has succumbed to the disease he so valiantly fought. He was a graceful and genuine soul to the end. Without Michael, Moto Czysz lost its creative muse and is essentially shuttered.


The U.S. theoretically could build a world class sportbike, but it never will. EBR was still-born from the get-go. Though Buell had some interesting ideas, it's like making a cake, or writing code: garbage in, garbage out. He vainly attempted to make a silk purse from a sow's ear. He was doomed when he wedded himself to the notion of using H-D motors.

Americans are simply not interested in Motorcycles in sufficient numbers. It might not set well with those of us whom possess great passions for sportbikes, but examine H-D. They have to have the most over paid engineers in all of the auto/moto world. Why? Because they've designed no new engine format since 1936, with modest changes up to the present, air cooled 45-degree pushrod V-twin. The "if it ain't broke, don't fix it mentality is only unimaginative tripe. Their engineers are so lazy/staid that they were too ill-equipped to design the H²O cooled, overhead cammed, 60-degree V-Rod motor; H-D had to farm the job out to Porsche.

The former Axis countries are making innovative genré leading sportbikes. Using cutting edge designs, manufacturing methods, materials, and distribution practices. Arguably, we've even been bested by the U.K. with Triumph's laudable Daytona 675 & 675R. It gives me no pleasure to say, the U.S. just doesn't have the will to put forth a viable effort.
If you have netflix... Michael Czysz is talked about in a movie called Charge. (Just watched it two weeks ago.)

You are quite right about the Buell/HD broken marriage.

(Smokey) this is why i never thought about owning one. then when he finally did make his own bikes; they were way out of my price range... I seriously thought about buying EBR SX when i got the Aprilia but decided it would be a bad idea to buy a bike with little after-market let alone factory parts support because EBR had folded.

I want an American sportbike, however i don't have money to throw around/away... Just because I want something American doesn't mean I'm an Ignorant/Overtly Patriotic ASS. The current crop of american sportbikes costs as much as my AMERICAN MANUFACTURED '14 CHEVY SILVERADO. Its a matter of doing what you can/when you can/when it makes sense.


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I saw an EBR at a local dealer for sale just the other day and was impressed with a lot of the unique features of the bike. I wouldn't go so far as to call it a beautiful bike but it isn't pig-ugly or anything and there were small details that were very interesting to take in over a full inspection. Like others have said, I'd really love there to be a legitimate North American competitor in the sport bike market and I don't think that is at all out of the realm of possibility. Look at BMW for instance. They had no really competitive sport bikes before the S1000RR launched and they swung a home run with that design. HD, Polaris, Can-Am (Canadian) etc easily have the resources to build a competitive sport bike if the will was there.
MINUS HD: There is no desire to do anything there that is sport bike competitive as long as there are people willing to buy their lazy iron horses... We will see what happens when the "boomers" stop being able to support them. Will they adapt or become a shadow of the past?

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Funny you say that's what you want, put your money where your mouth is, how many EBRs or Buells did you own? Did you support the American products when they were for sale or you just like saying it to feel patriotic. Cause according to your signature I only see Japanese and European bikes.
I have to admit that even though this wasn't directed at me, I was already thinking this exact thought about myself before you even said it, based on your earlier comments.

I almost bought a Buell Blast way back when I was first looking for a non-cruiser bike, and when I did have cruisers they were Hondas. The blast was too boring though. When HD was selling Buell, the ones worth buying were too expensive for me, and now there's no more Buell. I wouldn't dare buy an HD Buell now for fear of losing manufacturer support.

I try to do my part by only buying American cars, and I never seem to have any of the problems that people talk about having with them.

However, I have to thank you for forcing my to self-evaluate: I recently placed a few investments (modest ones that I can afford to lose - I don't really like stocks) in new American startups that are showing some promise. My money is now firmly planted over my mouth, lol.

I've also recently made some preorders for American-designed electronics products. So, we'll see how that goes.


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Friend of mine became a dealer before they went out. I think he had five. Now he has them again. Rode the RX it was alright.
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Every time I see a picture of one of those 1190RX's I think, if it just didn't have that stupid perimeter front brake for only $10k brand new I might really think about buying one. Just to race something completely different.
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Every time I see a picture of one of those 1190RX's I think, if it just didn't have that stupid perimeter front brake for only $10k brand new I might really think about buying one. Just to race something completely different.
Says the guy who went from a common bike to THE most common bike by jumping on the R6 bandwagon

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Says the guy who went from a common bike to THE most common bike by jumping on the R6 bandwagon
Well if someone had bought a 636 new, dumped a ton of money into it, raced it for a season and a half (if even), then run out of money and put it for sale for cheap I would bought that! If I'm going different it better be different enough to be worth it. But, not so different the components will overheat on track without anyway to fix it. Though I do think someone endurance raced a Buell 1125 and made it last the whole 6 or so hours which is a feat in itself.
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Well if someone had bought a 636 new, dumped a ton of money into it, raced it for a season and a half (if even), then run out of money and put it for sale for cheap I would bought that! If I'm going different it better be different enough to be worth it. But, not so different the components will overheat on track without anyway to fix it. Though I do think someone endurance raced a Buell 1125 and made it last the whole 6 or so hours which is a feat in itself.
Talk to Danny Eslick or Geoff May. They raced EBR's. I haven't heard of brakes overheating. After all, you'd think that with the larger surface area, it dissipates heat better. But that caliper is pretty massive so it probably also puts more heat into it. I've only seen a couple 1190RX's in person, and it was at Road America, a track that's very hard on brakes. Don't think they had any issues.

The problem is if you do, with whatever it may be, you might as well pack up and go home cuz nobody's gonna be able to lend you or sell you any parts.

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Talk to Danny Eslick or Geoff May. They raced EBR's. I haven't heard of brakes overheating. After all, you'd think that with the larger surface area, it dissipates heat better. But that caliper is pretty massive so it probably also puts more heat into it. I've only seen a couple 1190RX's in person, and it was at Road America, a track that's very hard on brakes. Don't think they had any issues.

The problem is if you do, with whatever it may be, you might as well pack up and go home cuz nobody's gonna be able to lend you or sell you any parts.
I don't have any personal experience but I've heard before they were replacing brake rotors like every session because they were overheating and warping. They have more surface area than a conventional 1 rotor but a convention 2 rotor dissipates heat better.
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I don't have any personal experience but I've heard before they were replacing brake rotors like every session because they were overheating and warping. They have more surface area than a conventional 1 rotor but a convention 2 rotor dissipates heat better.
Yeah it annoys me that all the little bikes come with 1 rotor. I'm sure Kawasaki, Honda, Yamaha, etc. have done their homework on it, but I still don't like that. I would much rather have 2 smaller rotors, like 220s or something like that instead of one 280-300 or whatever it is.

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