Are all new things bad? - ZX6R Forum
 6Likes
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 28 Old 01-10-2017, 08:56 AM Thread Starter
World Superbike Racer
 
commiehunter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Portland
Posts: 1,346

I Ride: ZX6R 636
Are all new things bad?

This guy seems to think so. In reference to a question about resto-mod v custom bikes:

Are Stock Restorations Better Looking Than Most Retro-Customs? « MotorcycleDaily.com ? Motorcycle News, Editorials, Product Reviews and Bike Reviews

Quote:
It’s not just Customizers (such as Roland Sands – Yucky Bikes!), it is the Manufacturers themselves which have taken, not just their “Retro” bikes, but also their front-line designs, into the realm of ugly, stupid, non-functional, and uncomfortable.

Who told Producers we wanted stupid Gobot/Transformer-looking bikes in place of sexy, functional, intelligent designs? Example: Gone into a Ducati dealership lately? If it is not angled sharply, it is rounded-off, or simply given a chopped-off look. Duc also used to celebrate the sexiness, and industrial functionality of the exhaust system, but, no, not anymore. Now pipes are snaked everywhere to conceal them, and when they do manage to reach daylight, they are extremely abbreviated, and flat-out dumb looking. The Trellis Frame was also a hallmark of a Duc, however, take a look at the abomination known as the Panigale, and the ugliness, and foolishness, of modern design will be immediately visible. In summation, Ducati has lost its way in the rush to be “Cool.” The Japanese were never “Cool,” anyway, however, they were always cutting edge. Unless you are Honda who sees performance as some sort of Social Sin.

It seems Manufacturers have now reached out to a new target audience of Operators, and, now, completely ignore Motorcyclists (this explains why Ducati is apparently selling more bikes than they ever have). The Operator is the same kind of person as your basic Car Driver, being they know nothing about the motorcycle, and don’t care at all about how it works. They just want it to start when the key gets turned, and they feel hip while riding it. They will not be life-long Motorcyclists, so the Manufacturers are celebrating short-term success by sacrificing Long-Term gains.

I mourn the loss of REAL, functional, motorcycles.

Never ride faster than you can stop
commiehunter is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 28 Old 01-10-2017, 09:06 AM
Rab
Squid
 
Rab's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: Ayrshire, Scotland
Posts: 73

I Ride: ZX6-R 636 A1P
Garage
I disagree the 1299 pannigale is just plain sexy. those belly mounted exhausts are gorgeous.

the new 959 pannigale i can understand the new emission complaint exhausts on that are very poor but to be honest i think the manufacturers just have ugly exhausts so they can flog us bikers the optional ones from their catalog from Akrapovic etc.
sbk1198 likes this.
Rab is offline  
post #3 of 28 Old 01-10-2017, 09:09 AM
Post Master General
 
RJ2112's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Bowling Green, VA
Posts: 7,200

I Ride: '09 ZX6R
Form should follow function. Good design reduces the elements of a thing to it's purist form. The least, for the most.

Making things more complicated to make them visually interesting, generally results in a clutter which has no bearing on the operational purpose. That's typically a bad thing, IMHO.

Adding paint or chrome, that can usually be justified due to the preservation it provides as well as potentially looking good.

Making something lighter, makes it faster and generally means it can potentially handle better in the process.

Most of the time, when a mfg builds a 'custom' knock off of someone's individuality; well, then you have mass produced individuality. Lots of people with loud pipes, beanie helmets, and tattoos.

Not my cuppa.

"There's this adage that we have 2 ears and one mouth so we should listen twice as much as we talk. Unfortunately with the Internet people have taken this old adage and turned it around. They have two eyes and 10 fingers so they think they need to post 5 times as much as they read. And since they have 10 fingers and one brain, they only have to think 10% of the time! "
RJ2112 is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #4 of 28 Old 01-10-2017, 10:19 AM
MotoGP Champion
 
sbk1198's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Nebraska
Posts: 3,426

I Ride: '09 ZX6R
I disagree with that whole paragraph quoted. I guess it's true what they say, that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Granted, I always tend to sway the other way, and I'm generally biased towards new things. I'm also no artist. I'm an engineer. For me, functionality and performance is everything. I don't care as much about aesthetics, but even so, I much prefer the aesthetics of newer bikes than the older ones. The rant over the new Ducatis is just ridiculous. I think they're about as good looking as they've ever been and they certainly perform better than they've ever had, while also having much much better reliability than they did 15-20 years ago, which is what most people seem to remember.

I'm guessing the guy who wrote that also likes cars from the 50s and 60s more than modern ones.
commiehunter likes this.

2007 ZZR600 (sold)
2006 CBR600 (sold)
2010 1198 (parted out across North America)
2013 CBR500R (race bike)
2009 ZX6R (race bike)
2015 R3 (project bike and future race bike)

Sponsors: Vortex Racing, MSM, MTR Cycle
sbk1198 is online now  
post #5 of 28 Old 01-10-2017, 10:42 AM
Post Master General
 
RJ2112's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Bowling Green, VA
Posts: 7,200

I Ride: '09 ZX6R
..... I, for one, would really like to try an electric bike that made enough HP to scare the beejeezuz out of me.
Sanctuary likes this.

"There's this adage that we have 2 ears and one mouth so we should listen twice as much as we talk. Unfortunately with the Internet people have taken this old adage and turned it around. They have two eyes and 10 fingers so they think they need to post 5 times as much as they read. And since they have 10 fingers and one brain, they only have to think 10% of the time! "
RJ2112 is offline  
post #6 of 28 Old 01-10-2017, 10:43 AM
World Superbike Racer
 
Sanctuary's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Wellington, New Zealand
Posts: 1,139

I Ride: 2013 ZX6R, 2013 Triumph Street Triple, 2017 Triumph Street Triple RS (on order)
I wish Triumph would stop focusing on old-man cruisers (i.e. "café racers").

A play on words, or words on play
Last chapter, verse in the final act
Words well scripted, each sentence choking
Inaudible gag, blanket which suffocates
As you eat another's words
Malnourished, you starve.
Sanctuary is offline  
post #7 of 28 Old 01-10-2017, 10:44 AM
World Superbike Racer
 
Sanctuary's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Wellington, New Zealand
Posts: 1,139

I Ride: 2013 ZX6R, 2013 Triumph Street Triple, 2017 Triumph Street Triple RS (on order)
Quote:
Originally Posted by RJ2112 View Post
..... I, for one, would really like to try an electric bike that made enough HP to scare the beejeezuz out of me.
Get in the queue: Lightning Electric Motorcycle Fastest Electric MotorcycleLightning Motorcycles
Turtleface likes this.

A play on words, or words on play
Last chapter, verse in the final act
Words well scripted, each sentence choking
Inaudible gag, blanket which suffocates
As you eat another's words
Malnourished, you starve.
Sanctuary is offline  
post #8 of 28 Old 01-10-2017, 11:46 AM
Post Master General
 
RJ2112's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Bowling Green, VA
Posts: 7,200

I Ride: '09 ZX6R
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanctuary View Post
Oh, my!

"There's this adage that we have 2 ears and one mouth so we should listen twice as much as we talk. Unfortunately with the Internet people have taken this old adage and turned it around. They have two eyes and 10 fingers so they think they need to post 5 times as much as they read. And since they have 10 fingers and one brain, they only have to think 10% of the time! "
RJ2112 is offline  
post #9 of 28 Old 01-10-2017, 11:48 AM
World Superbike Racer
 
Sanctuary's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Wellington, New Zealand
Posts: 1,139

I Ride: 2013 ZX6R, 2013 Triumph Street Triple, 2017 Triumph Street Triple RS (on order)
Quote:
Originally Posted by RJ2112 View Post
Oh, my!
I'm first. I wish...

A play on words, or words on play
Last chapter, verse in the final act
Words well scripted, each sentence choking
Inaudible gag, blanket which suffocates
As you eat another's words
Malnourished, you starve.
Sanctuary is offline  
post #10 of 28 Old 01-10-2017, 09:28 PM
Squid
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: Alabama, USA
Posts: 52
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanctuary View Post
I wish Triumph would stop focusing on old-man cruisers (i.e. "café racers").
Totally agree and I'm an old guy! Love all the new stuff but seems like there is very little great innovation. Some of the new styling is too much for me. As I said I'm old and over 60 but still want a proper sport bike. Not into sitting up straight and catching bugs with my teeth, riding in the rain with an open face helmet is not fun. I want a light slippery 600 that is quick and nimble. I remember the muscle cars of the 60's they were awesome. Also remember how you had to tune them up every few thousand miles - think valve adjustments on an old Ducati! Thats just for transportation. Love electronic ignition, fuel injection, traction control ABS (for street) just don't need a motorcycle or car that can drive itself. Love the vintage stuff and have tons of respect for the people that can keep it running.
PhotoAl is offline  
post #11 of 28 Old 01-10-2017, 09:59 PM
MotoGP Champion
 
sbk1198's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Nebraska
Posts: 3,426

I Ride: '09 ZX6R
Quote:
Originally Posted by RJ2112 View Post
..... I, for one, would really like to try an electric bike that made enough HP to scare the beejeezuz out of me.
You can always go for a good 'ole gasoline one that can scare the beejeezus out of you...like an H2R, or that new RSV4 special edition that Aprilia's coming out with that's supposed to put down like 230+ hp!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanctuary View Post
I wish Triumph would stop focusing on old-man cruisers (i.e. "café racers").
Whaaaat?! That new Thruxton is awesome! Well it looks awesome...I'm sure it's not a particularly great bike but still. That's something I would have as a 6th or 7th bike Cafe racers are cool, but they're more for show these days.

Quote:
Originally Posted by RJ2112 View Post
Oh, my!
168 ft-lbs of torque! Holy shit!! But 495 lbs?

2007 ZZR600 (sold)
2006 CBR600 (sold)
2010 1198 (parted out across North America)
2013 CBR500R (race bike)
2009 ZX6R (race bike)
2015 R3 (project bike and future race bike)

Sponsors: Vortex Racing, MSM, MTR Cycle
sbk1198 is online now  
post #12 of 28 Old 01-11-2017, 09:35 AM
Post Master General
 
RJ2112's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Bowling Green, VA
Posts: 7,200

I Ride: '09 ZX6R
Quote:
Originally Posted by sbk1198 View Post
You can always go for a good 'ole gasoline one that can scare the beejeezus out of you...like an H2R, or that new RSV4 special edition that Aprilia's coming out with that's supposed to put down like 230+ hp!



Whaaaat?! That new Thruxton is awesome! Well it looks awesome...I'm sure it's not a particularly great bike but still. That's something I would have as a 6th or 7th bike Cafe racers are cool, but they're more for show these days.



168 ft-lbs of torque! Holy shit!! But 495 lbs?
Big motors with nitrous, or turbos, etc...... if I was after that I'd just get a Hyabusa/ZX14/whatever and go to a drag strip.

I really think there will come a time when other propulsion systems will be at least as good as internal combustion engines. If the new system is nearly as good, and is either smaller, lighter, more efficient -- or just flat out sexy -- I'd like to twist it's tail and see what it's all about.

Whatever that is, it will be desirable to me, if it has no excess fat and geegaws. The Wankle that Norton used for a few years.... the transverse inline motors from the BMW K bikes, and old Indian Scouts.... Whatever it is, if I can look at it and imagine how it does what it does, that will be interesting to me. The form will follow the function.

If it's cool to look at for those reasons, and it also has enough oomph to keep my interest, that's a good thing.

A Goldwing has not and will not interest me. The only variation of that which caught my interest was the one with the alternate front suspension, and they loaded it up with so much junk it wasn't appealing. Fat, too much chrome for no reason, too low, bad ergos.... HP would have helped, but not enough.

"There's this adage that we have 2 ears and one mouth so we should listen twice as much as we talk. Unfortunately with the Internet people have taken this old adage and turned it around. They have two eyes and 10 fingers so they think they need to post 5 times as much as they read. And since they have 10 fingers and one brain, they only have to think 10% of the time! "
RJ2112 is offline  
post #13 of 28 Old 01-11-2017, 11:14 AM
World Superbike Racer
 
Sanctuary's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Wellington, New Zealand
Posts: 1,139

I Ride: 2013 ZX6R, 2013 Triumph Street Triple, 2017 Triumph Street Triple RS (on order)
Personally, I'd love to see a Supercharged ZX6R, ala the R2 rumour: The Kawasaki R2 Is Kawasaki's Supercharged 600 | Cycle World

It would amazing to have near 200HP in such a light-weight, great-handling package. Heck even if it was 160HP, I'd take it.
sbk1198 likes this.

A play on words, or words on play
Last chapter, verse in the final act
Words well scripted, each sentence choking
Inaudible gag, blanket which suffocates
As you eat another's words
Malnourished, you starve.
Sanctuary is offline  
post #14 of 28 Old 01-11-2017, 11:17 AM
World Superbike Racer
 
Sanctuary's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Wellington, New Zealand
Posts: 1,139

I Ride: 2013 ZX6R, 2013 Triumph Street Triple, 2017 Triumph Street Triple RS (on order)
Quote:
Originally Posted by sbk1198 View Post
Whaaaat?! That new Thruxton is awesome! Well it looks awesome...I'm sure it's not a particularly great bike but still. That's something I would have as a 6th or 7th bike Cafe racers are cool, but they're more for show these days.
Meh, if you like tweed...fill your boots. I'm just hoping the new Street Triple lives up to my expectations.

Quote:
Originally Posted by sbk1198 View Post
168 ft-lbs of torque! Holy shit!! But 495 lbs?
Batteries and motors weigh a bit...I'd still like to give it a go.

A play on words, or words on play
Last chapter, verse in the final act
Words well scripted, each sentence choking
Inaudible gag, blanket which suffocates
As you eat another's words
Malnourished, you starve.
Sanctuary is offline  
post #15 of 28 Old 01-11-2017, 11:42 AM
MotoGP Champion
 
sbk1198's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Nebraska
Posts: 3,426

I Ride: '09 ZX6R
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanctuary View Post
Personally, I'd love to see a Supercharged ZX6R, ala the R2 rumour: The Kawasaki R2 Is Kawasaki's Supercharged 600 | Cycle World

It would amazing to have near 200HP in such a light-weight, great-handling package. Heck even if it was 160HP, I'd take it.
Fuck yeah! Or a ninja 300 like bike that weighs around 300 lbs and puts out about 100 hp. That'd be pretty awesome too.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanctuary View Post

Batteries and motors weigh a bit...I'd still like to give it a go.
Yeah I would too. I want to see what that much torque feels like lol

2007 ZZR600 (sold)
2006 CBR600 (sold)
2010 1198 (parted out across North America)
2013 CBR500R (race bike)
2009 ZX6R (race bike)
2015 R3 (project bike and future race bike)

Sponsors: Vortex Racing, MSM, MTR Cycle
sbk1198 is online now  
Reply

  ZX6R Forum > ZX6R Forum > Motorcycle Talk

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
bad boys, bad boys..... jackflash Pictures 3 03-20-2013 10:15 PM
Is the Red ZX6r bad luck? MailMan The ZX6R 2 03-19-2013 12:18 PM
what could have caused the wheel bearing to go bad so quick and spacer to cease dnukeg88 Mechanical and Technical 7 01-11-2013 11:05 AM
Bad things happen in 3's... Schooley Motorcycle Talk 25 07-27-2012 06:55 AM

Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome