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Why You Might Not See a Lot of KTMs And The New BMW 310....

Trade Dispute!

The U.S. may put a 100% tariff on all EU bikes (On or Off-Road) 500cc or less.

https://www.regulations.gov/document...2016-0025-0001


I'm sure this would hurt KTM, Vespa, and Husqvarna the most.

I'm sure the Japanese buy our meat products


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the actual wording was greater than 250 cc and less than 500 cc. I wonder how many powered two wheel vehicles come into the US from the EU, in that range?

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the actual wording was greater than 250 cc and less than 500 cc. I wonder how many powered two wheel vehicles come into the US from the EU, in that range?
Pretty much half of KTM's bikes, and that new BMW. Probably a few Piaggio scooters and other brands that are not all that popular here anyway. But why only on the ones from Europe??

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KTM 300, 350, and 450 dirt bikes and RC390 street bikes. But, KTM already charges a premium price and people pay it. This would just mean the price will go a little higher right? The question I would have is how much higher. I assume Husqvarna, Gas Gas and a few others would also be affected. I also wonder why they limit to certain sizes since it's in connection with a beef dispute. Would seem to penalize select companies. (Ducati, Aprilia and others wouldn't be affected much at all).

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the actual wording was greater than 250 cc and less than 500 cc. I wonder how many powered two wheel vehicles come into the US from the EU, in that range?
There was actually 2 different classes:

Motorcycles (incl. mopeds) and cycles, fitted with reciprocating internal-combustion piston engine with cylinder capacity of over 50 cc but not over 250 cc.

Motorcycles (incl. mopeds) and cycles, fitted with reciprocating internal-combustion piston engine with cylinder capacity of over 250 cc but not over 500 cc.



I guess that scooters 50cc and less are exempt.

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I'd have to think that the targeted range of displacements would limit the ability of other markets to emplace reciprocal tariffs on US products. No one in the US is making anything to export in that range, right?

Is HD importing Italian small displacements, again?

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So were is the tariff on the Chinese POS they ship in.. Why the EU and not China.
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I'm sure the Japanese buy our meat


How many bikes does the US actually make in this capacity? Seems rather retarded. But hey...more tax to fund Trump's spray-tan and comb-over. Yey!

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So were is the tariff on the Chinese POS they ship in.. Why the EU and not China.
Well, because the EU is who the "beef" is with so to speak. They don't like our meat.

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Well, because the EU is who the "beef" is with so to speak. They don't like our meat.
And China allows imports of what.. including meat.
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And China allows imports of what.. including meat.
One of us must misunderstand what this is about. Apparently the EU is not accepting our meat, in violation of an agreement, so we are retaliating by upping the tariffs on their motorcycles. At least that's the way I read the linked document.

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Nope, I didn't know about them backing out.

Didn't read the linked thread.. And only read an article only showing apparently part of the situation.



That being said.. I'm pretty simple guy, if the EU or China or anyone else doesn't play on a LEVEL playing field then it's a tit, for tat. You block our stuff. We block their's.
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So this is coming about because the EU isn't buying meat products from the US? Fuck that shit. It sounds like the chicken tax from the 60's, which is the reason why the US doesn't have any of the small, cheap pickup trucks like the rest of the world. And that pisses me off probably more than it should. The only thing I'm wondering is why they would choose motorcycles to tax, meat products sound like a way bigger market than sub 500cc motorcycles but then again I'm not economics expert.
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The motorcycles are just one of many things on the list.
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