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Chicago cop tosses coffee.....

I read a short section of the article, and thought it worth bringing to the group's attention. Personally, I side with the cop on this one to a degree.

Chicago Cop Throws Coffee At Motorcyclist

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Looks to me like they were probably both in the wrong to some extent. However, I think that the article is 100% correct in stating that police officers are expected to show a degree of professionalism and restraint that isn't in accordance with these types of actions. Part of the job is being able to remain objective and keep emotions out of the situation as much as possible.


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We should blame Obama for it, I suppose...

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So the cop watches a pack of bikes coming at him...one on the rear wheel... the others revving their engines to be heard ... then this guy throws his hand up at him like....hey sucker...whatcha going to do... well...act like an ass... get treated like an ass...


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^^ this was my take on it as well.....guilt by association, and actions. In addition, we have no way of knowing if that was the first lap of that block that this group of nitwits decided to do. I wouldn't have had any problem with them deploying nail strips to prevent this.

This is exactly why I don't ride with groups. The stupidest member's actions get you all labeled with the same sign.
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"Basic stuff fellas. Use your head for something other than to break your next fall."

"There's this adage that we have 2 ears and one mouth so we should listen twice as much as we talk. Unfortunately with the Internet people have taken this old adage and turned it around. They have two eyes and 10 fingers so they think they need to post 5 times as much as they read. And since they have 10 fingers and one brain, they only have to think 10% of the time! "
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I find this absolutely unacceptable.

If the bikers are breaking the law, the cop needs to take appropriate action based on policy. Use his cruiser, call in motorcycle cops, etc. Even waving any rider down by hand and writing tickets is appropriate, if the rider complies.

As evidenced by the video, the cop had no intention of using legal means for enforcement. This was vindictive, plain and simple, and that is NOT a cop's job, or his call to make. Law Enforcement officers are held to a higher standard, and they don't get to lash out from anger or frustration.

In this case, if the coffee is hot, he risks injuring the individual. That individual will have a great case against the officer because the officer is not following ROE or any protocol. If the rider crashes and causes other riders to crash, sure, they may blame earlier hooning as the cause and pin the fault on the rider, but if the cop violated procedure, he may have a hard time arguing that his actions were appropriate and NOT the cause of the crash.

Short version: If the riders' actions required LE intervention, LE should intervene in an appropriate manner to gain the optimal outcome. The cop's actions should have been geared towards achieving that outcome. The actions the cop made were, in appearance, NOT designed to cause a beneficial outcome, but either A) punitive/vengeful toward a rider or B) petty, vindictive, and irresponsible.

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I wouldn't have had any problem with them deploying nail strips to prevent this.
Here's the deal, the same way there's physical 'Use of Force' continuum, which dictates how a cop can respond to an individual, there's likely a traffic use of force continuum. That would specifically say, 'In circumstances with X conditions (threat to bystanders, failure to yield to lights/sirens), you may use spike strips/pit maneuver/etc.' However, throwing coffee is NOT on that list. As I mentioned above, throwing coffee does NOT fix the problem.

Doing anything that's on the specified list of 'how to handle a traffic violation' is going to be better than, 'OC riders' or 'throw coffee at riders' or 'shoot rider with a taser'. There are just certain things you don't get to do when it's your job.

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But if anyone threw anything at a punk ass cop for any reason it's a different story

Just another example of cops thinking they can do whatever they want
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I would've kicked him off the bike. Then when his buddies stopped to complain, I would've kicked them off their bikes too. Lol that's why I'm not a cop
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Here's the deal, the same way there's physical 'Use of Force' continuum, which dictates how a cop can respond to an individual, there's likely a traffic use of force continuum. That would specifically say, 'In circumstances with X conditions (threat to bystanders, failure to yield to lights/sirens), you may use spike strips/pit maneuver/etc.' However, throwing coffee is NOT on that list. As I mentioned above, throwing coffee does NOT fix the problem.

Doing anything that's on the specified list of 'how to handle a traffic violation' is going to be better than, 'OC riders' or 'throw coffee at riders' or 'shoot rider with a taser'. There are just certain things you don't get to do when it's your job.
I have attended arrest and firearms training (PC-832), and was a patrol office for the USN for a period of 3 years ('85-'88). Please note that I did not say I condone that officer's actions. I said I understood them.

Any time a LEO has to deal with a group which outnumbers them, that's a scenario any LEO wants to avoid.

In any scenario, in order to control the situation, the LEO is ALWAYS authorized to escalate the level of force applied one step past what he is faced with. How do you classify 12 bikes at 30+ MPH, against a pedestrian?

Here you have a group of ~12 riders who are operating in a dangerous manner. Granted, some more than others at that particular moment. What occurred more than roughly 30 seconds on either side of that clip is open to interpretation. What the LEO could see that you and I did not may have influenced his choice.

You and I would both not have been in that situation, and would not have the opportunity to get befouled with a latte. We both have more common sense than that. Immature behavior of a group, in the face of authority, and a response that was obviously immature.

We could spend the time getting offended, and start talking about civil rights, etc. personally, I think there's a credible case for assault in this. But I would seriously hope any filing that may occur would get laughed out of court.

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We should blame Obama for it, I suppose...
Come on, you know better than that, it's Bush's fault. Where have you been for the last 8 years?

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Come on, you know better than that, it's Bush's fault. Where have you been for the last 8 years?
Still? That was over 8 years ago... time to move on, buddy!

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If the cop thinks throwing coffee is an appropriate response (and lacks the ability to undertake a measured response), then he/she is unfit for the job that they have been hired to do. Plain and simple. These are the sort of people that tend to shoot first and ask questions later.
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Did anyone notice the cop was just standing in the street? Just finished getting a donut and coffee, didn't appear to be performing any police business... Whats with the Jay-walking? Above the law?


But in all seriousness, there is no excuse for this, regardless of these guys probably being idiots. That cop would have deserved a good smacking.
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Please note that I did not say I condone that officer's actions. I said I understood them.

In any scenario, in order to control the situation, the LEO is ALWAYS authorized to escalate the level of force applied one step past what he is faced with.

Immature behavior of a group, in the face of authority, and a response that was obviously immature.

We could spend the time getting offended, and start talking about civil rights, etc. personally, I think there's a credible case for assault in this. But I would seriously hope any filing that may occur would get laughed out of court.
Agree with you here. I think that's the center POV.

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