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post #1 of 15 Old 02-05-2017, 06:34 AM Thread Starter
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I've said it before, I'm sure I'll say it again..... riding is all about your presence in the moment. The more you can make the connection with everything going on around you when you are riding the more successful you will be at negotiating the event.

There is a tremendously large amount of information coming at you, as a rider. Particularly on the street. Far more than you get while driving a car; and your need to interact with the bike further increases the demand on mental processing power. If anyone remembers their time in driver's ed, the adrenaline rush of trying to cope with all of that was pretty intense..... even if you became the best car driver ever, that does not equate to being a good motorcyclist. If you were an average car driver and train yourself to become a motorcycle rider..... that's not going to result in even an average skill set on two wheels.

Chuck Yeager once described a crash as when a pilot runs out of 'airspeed, altitude, and ideas all at the same time.'

The common element in this, is the idea that time gives you opportunity to overcome adversity.

Understanding how to scan the environment, and ensuring that you are physically able to respond to the things that you see is paramount to riding well. You can almost think of it as the 'butterfly effect'; a small change early on can have great consequences -- good, or bad.

When you start to recognize that placing yourself in the blind spots of vehicles is a risk you should only take as a last resort, and that keeping significant following distances gives you more time, and more options (and increases your visibility to other road users) on how to address what is almost entirely predictable.... THEN you begin to enjoy riding.

If you are riding hard enough to have to rely on your tires and brakes to get you out of a dangerous situation.... odds are pretty good, you are riding over your head. Riding with zero margin is something you can get away with, for a time. It's a game of Russian Roulette. That's actually the game you play, every time you get on a bike; controlling how many rounds are in the chambers is what we are discussing here.

"There's this adage that we have 2 ears and one mouth so we should listen twice as much as we talk. Unfortunately with the Internet people have taken this old adage and turned it around. They have two eyes and 10 fingers so they think they need to post 5 times as much as they read. And since they have 10 fingers and one brain, they only have to think 10% of the time! "
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post #2 of 15 Old 02-05-2017, 07:46 AM
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Solid post! I concur with the above. Most folks that I've encountered don't realize that the best component you can get for your bike is education. Be it a MSF course or learning how to race. People wanna buy things for their bikes just to buy things not realizing that they probably don't need it.

At Motorcycle Xcitement they urge you to ride at 75% of your level (which is my excuse for being slow). But I did it and learned a lot more and was able to progress a little more. And one or two times that I did need that 25% for an emergency was well worth it.

As a graduate from Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University's Aviation Safety program, they talk a lot about a crash is not one singular event, but rather a chain of events leading up to the failure.
Additionally we also did a little bit of human factor studying too. Ever hear someone say sometime after an accident that 'time slowed down' during a crash? Part of the reason is when adrenaline kicks in, your brains 'refresh rate' or 'frame rate' increases hence why everything seems to slow down. Think of it like a high speed camera, more frames, but the same camera can normally do 30fps. Don't ask me how all this crap works this is just a loose understanding I have from back in Class of 2010. I'll let the Doctors, PHD, and RN-types go in to that and by all means if I'm wrong please say so

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Very true. Would add one more.
How tired you are.

On the street it could be a long day in the saddle or more commonly lately how tired I am on the track.
I've stopped with 2 sessions left after blowing more than one corner in a session.
That's my mental notice that I'm tired and need to call at least the remainder of this session and if it has been a hot day possibly the remainder of the day.
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post #4 of 15 Old 02-05-2017, 11:26 AM Thread Starter
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It's been said that alcohol has a greater impact on a motorcyclist than it does on a car driver..... I agree with this. It's also true, of recreational watercraft.

The mechanics of why this is probably true are pretty straightforward. If you are sitting down, your odds of falling down are significantly reduced. Walking, standing, riding..... all of these require controlled falling. All of them, require significant processing power. Gravity never stops, so the need to balance never stops. Unless you are sitting down.

Any time you are impaired in any way, the effects are greater when you have greater demands on you body and brain. Balance is one of the finest motor skills you have.... it's one of the first to suffer when you are impaired. If you are cold, angry, overly hot, tired, intoxicated..... odds are good that it would be better to avoid riding. If it is unacceptable to do so, then the rider should be prepared to reduce the demands they are placing on themselves. If you are aware that you are compromised, slowing down is an effective way to reduce risk.

How many times have we all seen someone who got into trouble because they were in over their heads? When your ego writes checks your body can't cash, someone is going to suffer. Sometimes you have to ask yourself why a particular person hasn't already used up all of their luck........

Motorcycles tend to ensure the person who suffers most, is the rider. Dress for the crash, ride with margin, try not to combine or compound faults to the point of failure.

I agree that accidents are the culmination of multiple compounding factors which can typically be reduced if someone is willing to do so.

I've been hit with half sheets of plywood. Had recap tires explode a few car lengths ahead of me. Seen the canopy of a pickup truck flip off the back of the truck and crash into the lane beside me.

Every time............ there was something I could have done to increase the margin of safety -- but in every one of the instances I have described, I stayed upright and completed my ride.

I have crashed because I was cold, wet, and partially night blind.

I have ridden covered in a half inch of sleet..... and been nailed for speeding less than an hour later. The definition of stupid cold. Compounded errors.

I love riding, because it requires greater skill than driving. The most likely person to suffer for a flaw in my process is myself. I fly around the candle, trying to make sure my wings don't catch fire....
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Great posts!
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Thank you for that. I write up stuff like this, because it may help someone else who is getting involved in riding. Some, can actually learn by reading -- some, by example. Personally, I have frequently had to learn it myself. I hope to reduce that for others. I don't like seeing the same mistakes I have made, because I KNOW how preventable much of it is.

Almost everything I write about applies, no matter what the design of the two wheeled gizmo is. Scooter, to dual sport to touring barge, to cruiser along with sport bikes.....

Physics don't care what you were on in the moments before you aren't any more.

When you realize that the very best baseball players in the world can't swing a bat faster than about 60 MPH --- that should give some scope to what happens if you decide to pummel yourself with trees due to parting company with your bike at speed.

If you jump out of a second story window....... you will hit the ground at 25 MPH.

Sliding at speed on uneven terrain is not a pleasant experience. getting hit by rocks, the curb, a mailbox...... whatever speed you are doing, you are quite literally beating yourself up at that rate. consider it a mugging by a pro baseball team, maybe with some football players adding to the 'fun'.

Even if the slide is on a 'smooth' surface -- that's all a matter of degree. If there are no elevation changes, you will remain in contact longer, friction will be higher, and you will face more abrasion. Something is going to give. Far, far better for that to be something other than your person.

It is well recognized that loss of some percentage of your skin will result in infection. What many do not take to heart is that this can lead to a lethal situation. Small amounts of minor road rash is seen as a badge of honor in some circles......

"There's this adage that we have 2 ears and one mouth so we should listen twice as much as we talk. Unfortunately with the Internet people have taken this old adage and turned it around. They have two eyes and 10 fingers so they think they need to post 5 times as much as they read. And since they have 10 fingers and one brain, they only have to think 10% of the time! "
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I agree with all ya'lls posts.. Everyone someone asks me what bike to buy cause they wanna ride like.. I always ask the same question.. How long have you ridden before.. How many crashes?? This tells me whether or not they are prepared for a motorcycle.. If the answer is never then I tell them to keep the money for the bike and put a nice down payment on a sportscar.. I started riding a Honda ATC 50 3-wheeler when I was 5.. Had lots of crashes and broken bones. I'm 43 now and learned a lot from those crashes as in what to expect or avert a crash... If a bad situation arises, my adrenaline starts pumps and I'll have at least 3 avoidance scenarios in place in a matter of 1 second..

I had learned from my previous accidents.. Hell, i hit my first car at 8!! Lol

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I also agree with everyone's posts.

must of the rider training people do is to pass a test; not to ride day in, day out

the best rider training I got was the day I got my 125 my dad (a copper at the time) made me go out with a police rider for the day.

I only ever ride up to 70% (if that) of my tyres grip and my skill so there's a margin for error.

many a time I've been riding and been overtaken by a loon that's ended up in the next hedge because they are riding to the wire and have no escape route.

riding when mega tired is asking for trouble due to the high amount of information one must process to be safe
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I agree with all ya'lls posts.. Everyone someone asks me what bike to buy cause they wanna ride like.. I always ask the same question.. How long have you ridden before.. How many crashes?? This tells me whether or not they are prepared for a motorcycle.. If the answer is never then I tell them to keep the money for the bike and put a nice down payment on a sportscar.. I started riding a Honda ATC 50 3-wheeler when I was 5.. Had lots of crashes and broken bones. I'm 43 now and learned a lot from those crashes as in what to expect or avert a crash... If a bad situation arises, my adrenaline starts pumps and I'll have at least 3 avoidance scenarios in place in a matter of 1 second..

I had learned from my previous accidents.. Hell, i hit my first car at 8!! Lol

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To be honest, there is very rarely a time when I am on the bike that I do not have at least one evasion scenario already running in my head..... but that should be the fourth or fifth option rather than the first. Slow down, speed up, change position, flash lights, sound horn, or any combination of the above. THEN test the maximum grip available, or shoot for the gap in the hedge.

If you still have a problem, even then it's a bad idea to lose your temper.
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I agree..., my father, who also rode with me, gave me some of the best advice....

He said son, in his infinite wisdom, "the graveyard is full of people who had the right of way"

On the flip side he also said "when in doubt, throttle the mother f'%='%ing bike" and "helmets are for p@$$y's"

So I learned which advice to take and which to dismiss.. Different generation, I guess!! Lol

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One of the adages that I still cannot get myself conditioned to do, is to increase my lean if I am in doubt as to the outcome. More lean is never a bad idea when you are running out of options.... the worst that is going to happen is a low side, which probably still beats tee boning a car or some such.
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Biggest tool in my toolbox is anticipation. Predicting what's going to happen ahead...
That's my second biggest tool

Sorry, had to make the joke.. Everyone was thinking it....

If you lobbed me a softball.... I'd have to hit it out of the park.... Lol

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But you're 100% correct!!!!

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That's my second biggest tool

Sorry, had to make the joke.. Everyone was thinking it....

If you lobbed me a softball.... I'd have to hit it out of the park.... Lol

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