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post #16 of 37 Old 03-14-2017, 12:24 PM
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I've ridden with skullcandy ear phones but felt really weird that i couldn't really hear much of anything when i had my music going. Felt unsafe to me. I have a Shoei GT Air helmet which happens to be one of the quietest helmets and i take a lot of backroads here in PA so for that style of riding ear plugs really aren't a nessesity for me. But on the highway days i do wear ear plugs. I just use the disposable ones. They are pretty cheap for a bulk amount.
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I have a Chatterbox x1 slim mounted on the side of my helmet and I have replaced the speakers with earbuds. I had to search for a while to find a pair of earbuds that work best inside a helmet. They don't have to be expensive but they have to be small enough to drive into your ear holes and not come out when you put your helmet on. I run the wires up over the top of my ears to help with that. I find it blocks noise (I use the noise cancelling ones) much like wearing earplugs, and the best part is I can hear my music very clearly at almost any speed without having to crank them up to a high volume. I couldn't deal with the speakers because I had to have them up so loud to hear them it gave me a headache and my ears would be ringing when I stopped, AND they are pretty much useless at speed.

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That's some nice gear. I personally have a 59 fender stratocastor

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I think earbuds are bad mainly for the reasons stated by everyone above me.

Being in the military I have a set of in ear ear defenders for shooting and I use them when riding as they filter out the harmful frequencies. If I want music/satnav when I'm riding I use an interphone in helmet speaker system coupled with my ear defenders so I get the best of both worlds

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Massively off topic: What colour? burst or solid (A '59 - Drool!)?

From previous post, my Strat is a 2000 Eric Clapton signature "Blackie" hardtail; the original bridge p/u was woefully weak, so I swapped out for Seymour Duncan Hot Rails. Love it! The LP is a 2014 120th Anniversary 'Classic' S.E. (Gibson has made very few Classics over the years). I have 'Lucky 13'guitars (some out there are probably echoing my wife: "... How many guitars can one guy play at once? And seven amps - five being tube amps (tweed, black face and silver face). The Tele came with the classic two single coils, but after chatting with a well known musician friend, I went with Lindy Fralin Split Coil at the bridge and his version of a Gibson Firebird Mini-humbucker at the neck. I retained the original brass 'T' saddles at the bridge for true Tele twang. This change has moved the Tele from mid-pack to 1-2 or 3, depending on the night. It also has the semi-rare Fender Bigsby with the classic script "F" instead of the Bigsby script; amazing sustain. [I wear earphones when I play, not so much to hear the band/myself, but to cancel out loud percussion & loud amps. Our drummer plays behind a plexi shield]

On topic: Having had numerous conversations with avid trackday riders, long distance touring riders, and urban strafers most if not all who did not use earplugs in the past greatly regret their inaction at the present time. Hearing loss is insidious because it accumulates exponentially over time. Some suffer from 24/7 tinnitus, usually for the remainder of their life. Not pleasant.


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Pix 1) 3-Amigos; (L-R) Carlos, an old "catelogue guitar" from the mid '60s - solid Brazilian back/sides(!) w/ a cedar top - fat neck, but unbelievable tone. Takamine cutaway Dreadnought, rosewood (Indian) back/sides w/sitka spruce top - fabulous bottom end. All maple Takamine 12-string - it's a fricken canon! It has gorgeous flamed bearclaw back/sides.

Pix 2) Ibanez ArtStar from latter 70's... tone is very close copy to an ES335! Great for those Beatles songs with George & John playing Epi Sheratons/Casinos... Perfect for jangly+orchestral Tom Petty/Eagles rhythm. Or, or anything B. B.; Gary Clark, Jr. One can even get their Wes Montgomery, George Benson riffing on. I've considered selling it a number of times, just to make way for a new pretty face - then I take it out of its case and play it. No, no way in hell.

3) EC Strat & 2011 PRS Dave Navarro Signature S.E. Funny thing about the PRS, I bought it in the autumn of '11. I bought it through Sweetwater Music, they offered it in either white or black, both with gold tone hardware. I was originally gonna buy a white one because I already had my "Blackie", but my son really liked the black/gold, so that's what I bought. Turns out that the black Navarros were only offered through Sweetwater, with "less than 500 made only in '11", according to a PRS spokesperson I talked with.

Pix 4) Epi Genesis (blue flame) is a unique guitar because it was never offered in the Gibson catelogue. The James Tyler (rear L is a synth guitar - it can sound like a Guild 12-string, or a sitar, dobro, banjo, Ricky, open A tuning, etc. The Godin Richmond Dorchester (rear R) is carved out under the cap - relatively light - has a bit of a mix between a Mosrite and a Rickenbacker - fabulous neck. Comes with the Lace Alumitone humbuckers. These are truly revolutionary pickups.

Pix 5) This is a Guild Aristocrat, it was Guild's answer to the LP, except for the shape being a single cut, it does not share LP characteristics.For starters most LPs are boat anchors⚓, weighing on average between 8-10 lbs. The Aristocrat is completely hollow, but the are no "f-holes" or other openings. Thus it weighs in at slightly over 5-lbs. The P-90 pickups are monsters! Funny thing is one can 'play' this guitar acoustically with a mike; if it is plugged in, it does a complete Jeckyll & Hyde. This, the Tele, and the Strat, and the LP are my main Armada.
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While I like music, it lets me zone out. NOT good on a motorcycle.
The background noise IMO is too loud to properly be canceled by any noise cancelling setup I know of.
Not only does the signal need to be 180 degree's out of source but equal in intensity.

While the science seems to infer you should get equilibrium with this perfect setup I'm dubious how noise at say 80 db in my ear 180 degree's out of sync with outside will protect my hearing. It's the power DB that hurts your hearing.

Since it will take time for this to all come out in the wash.
I don't want to risk my hearing for this what if. I'm willing to give it time and let long term testing to prove or not if this is safe.

I will repeat what I said in the ear plug thread.
Hearing loss isn't just loss, Depending on your wife deafness might be bliss.
Hearing loss is normally accompanied by phantom noise.
This noise has driven some insane and caused suicide since they can not sleep because of the bells, whistles, wind noise, ringing that never ever stops.
Stick with ear plugs, plan old 20 to 35 DB noise reduction ear plugs.
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Active noise cancellation has to be experienced to be believed.... it really is that good. But it is never a purely brute force approach. The is always a significant amount of attenuation that occurs before the active portion comes into play.

That simplifies the counter signal, by removing a lot of the undertones, as well as decreasing the amplitude (power)... small, simple(r) signal and a much reduced power requirement...... I can fly in the cheap seats for 14 + hours, listening to music at very moderate levels --no pain or ear fatigue-- from the charge on one aaa battery.

I started out with a $60 pair I bought in a KMart. Bose are better, but not $400 better. Got some open box for less than half the listed price.... they're definitely worth that.
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I'm always interested in active noise cancellation.... I have a set of active noise cancelling over the ear Bose headphones which make plane flights nearly pleasant. I'd like to do the same, with my helmet and have yet to find a setup that is convenient enough to warrant the expense.

Ear buds in general haven't worked out all that well for me, due to the cords... if my helmet fits right, the cords get pulled on as the helmet goes over my head. If the bud it tugged out of my ear, it can't work as intended and I have difficulty reaching it to set it up properly.

I only know of a couple of brands of buds, with active cancellation. Most use noise isolation (passive) -- blocking noise rather than removing it.

Because I haven't found an over the ear headphone I can integrate into my helmet, with active noise cancellation, I ride with foam ear plugs to reduce the overall amount of noise I get hammered by when riding.

Situational awareness is a trained thing.... I'm sure someone can make the argument that they can pay perfect attention when they have their jams blasting; me, I do best with less noise overall. There's enough music going on in my head already that I don't need an external source. Between my imagination, and the visceral soundtrack from the bike and the environment, I feel very little need for another distraction.
I use the Bose in-ear ear buds that cancel noise. When i commute, i will sometimes listen to talk radio or music. Both of which, i can hear very well with an M4 exhaust on my bike. But usually, i just use them as earplugs. A very expensive set of ear plugs that may not sound too practical for most people. But, i had them already. And they work for me in that set up.
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Ignore the horrid solid state marshall amp behind her (this is a really old picture from before I got my ac30)

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I know quite a few RM and RN personnel with hearing issues from not wearing duffs. wind noise is one of the issues that most bikers ignore as you don't notice the effects straight away but as many of us have said if it hurts/ringing in your ears something is wrong
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My ears are ringing sitting at my desk in complete silence.

Guess I'm already fucked haha.

Is there a music/instruments thread? If not someone should start one.
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I have used a Sena 20S and custom molded earplugs (about -26db) for quite some time. I almost always listen to music with this setup when I'm riding.

Now with my new helmet, there is no space for the Sena speakers, so I use custom molded ear monitors (about -26db) plugged into the Sena.

This is what the custom molded ear monitors look like:



This is what the custom molded earplugs look like (I removed the red/blue tether points):

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Those ear monitors remind me of the blue necklace from the Titanic movie haha.
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Ignore the horrid solid state marshall amp behind her (this is a really old picture from before I got my ac30)

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I know quite a few RM and RN personnel with hearing issues from not wearing duffs. wind noise is one of the issues that most bikers ignore as you don't notice the effects straight away but as many of us have said if it hurts/ringing in your ears something is wrong
What year is your Stat? I saw Mark Knopfler play a rosewood 'board, aqua blue Strat just like yours (obviously not his maple neck red signature Strat). He switched out different guitar for almost every song. Talk about guitar envy...

Hey a lot of shredders will see the Marshall name and get an instant stiffy. I started off with 2-Marshall Half-Stacks, damn few places where one can play that loud anymore. I have Eurotubes tune the cathode ray tubes for a really clean sounds then use pedals to give dirt/wet tones.
I use Fenders, Orange (tonnes of crunch), and even Peyvey (poor man's Blues Junior).

Marshall trivia: Londoner (U.K.) Jim Marshall was looking for a new talent to use his (then) new 100W amps he originally made for Pete Townsend of the Who. This new guitar slinger had recently blown into town from Seattle, WA USA. The guy was noodling around when Mr Marshall asked him his name. The skinny kid responded: James Marshall Hendricks, sir. Jim Marshall gave him four new Full Stacks to use on the spot. If you haven't figured it out, the kid was Jimi Hendrix.

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I actually wear musicians ear-plugs (Hearos High-Fidelity series) on the bike. Cuts out all the high frequencies (wind noise) and takes the edge off the exhaust. Don't make it a habit of listening to music. Due to what I listen to it would probably lead to trouble with the law (Slayer tends to have that effect).
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I used to cycle to work with one earphone on.
If I'm riding either listening to music or the gps(google maps on the phone) I only use one earphone.
I can still listen to everything around me and I don't feel any difference with one or without.
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I have ridden at least 30,000 miles per year for nearly 10 years straight and I've always worn headphones. Can't ride without them. It's boring and ear plugs make me feel ill (it's the way they "breathe" I think). My hearing is fine.

My headphones keep most of the wind noise to a minimum. Playing music at around half iPhone volume sorts the rest and takes the boredom out of the "have-to" sections of a ride. I find it relaxing when having fun and that makes me ride better. I also use them to chat with the Mrs and the group when necessary which is a safety feature as well as fun (as long as I can have my own zen time still too).

I now use a Sena 20s which has the benefit that I can now keep changing volume when necessary too, so louder motorways can have more volume, while in town I can turn it down to save my ears and be more aware. I also like easily being able to pause and listen to the pipe sometimes

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