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Are 600s On The Way Out?

We have already heard that Honda will not be updating their CBR600R, and is no longer importing them to Europe.

Now this, an announcement of the new GXS-R750, with a caveat.



SUZUKI TO RELAUNCH GSX-R750 | MANUFACTURE NEWS | NEWS


Rarely is a jumble of letters and numbers as evocative as the combination of G, S, X and R when combined with 750. Now fans of the bike that started the whole modern superbike class can start celebrating as we get word there’s a new GSX-R750 in the works.

While sales of Suzuki’s genre-defining superbike have long since fallen from its 1980s and 1990s peak, for many the GSX-R750 still hits a sweet spot that others fail to reach.

That 750cc engine is in the Goldilocks zone, not tearing your face off like today’s 1000cc superbikes but offering more power and grunt than any 600. And as the cost of 1000cc superbikes spirals ever higher, the 25 per cent capacity reduction to the GSX-R750 results in at least a similar proportion coming off the list price in most markets.

However, the current bike’s days are numbered due to new regulations in Europe. Suzuki is still flogging 2016-spec GSX-R750s there because there’s no official 2017 model. The same applies to the identical-looking, smaller-engined GSX-R600.

Officially, the 2016 bike shouldn’t even be on sale in Europe. Since 1 January, all new bikes over 125cc need to have ABS brakes and meet Euro 4 emissions rules. They should also meet a host of other requirements included in Europe’s latest type-approval regs.

The GSX-R750 and 600, last revamped for the 2011 model year, don’t comply with the new regs. Instead, Suzuki is relying on ‘derogation’ allowances, which let it sell small numbers of non-compliant, pre-2017 models for up to two years.

Come the end of 2018, if any are left over they’ll have to be re-exported (or, more realistically, registered and sold as used bikes).

Weak GSX-R600 sales mean Suzuki is likely to cancel the model when stocks run out. Honda has already dropped the CBR600RR in Europe and Kawasaki is expected to do the same with the ZX-6R, also currently being sold under derogation rules in 2016-spec.

But Suzuki insiders say the GSX-R750 won’t be allowed to die so easily.

Understandably, the firm has an attachment to the GSX-R750 that’s stronger than almost any other model in its line-up.

The original version, introduced back in 1985, was the first aluminium-framed superbike and as such set a template that virtually all its rivals went on to follow.




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I think they will stay in the US for a little longer, but long term who knows?
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I think you will see the market change again, as the Euro 4 emissions standards strangle performance engines on motorcycles.

If you want the same power levels, you will see bigger displacements. If you stay at the same displacement, the amount of power will go down.

Suzuki has made bank for many years, by milking the regulations..... 'grandfathering' of designs has allowed them to sell almost all of their cruiser models (now called Boulevards) with almost no changes in design for 30+ years. All of the emissions regs have applied to new construction only; and that really only hits the sport bike market as that's the only area that sees continuous changes in design.

I think it's interesting to see that KTM and Honda are both going to market 2 stroke dirt bikes next year.... the direct inject design allows them to do so without anywhere near as much in the way of emissions as the older smokers.

This may be an area that happens with street bikes as well. If you want a light, powerful motor with low emissions direct injection on a two stroke may do it.

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The emissions stuff is hilarious. Yamaha has been selling the same 2 stroke stand up jetski since 1996 because of it. In 2008 they updated the hull slightly but that's it. Everything else is identical haha.
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What?? I hope this doesn't happen. You know it's funny to hear about this whole Euro 4 emissions bs that's driving a lot of this stuff, when in the last few days that I've been in France, I swear I've never seen so many 2-strokes on the road anywhere before! I've seen more shitty 2-stroke bikes which have crappy emissions in the last few days than I've seen in any given year in the US.

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We have already heard that Honda will not be updating their CBR600R, and is no longer importing them to Europe.

Now this, an announcement of the new GXS-R750, with a caveat.



SUZUKI TO RELAUNCH GSX-R750 | MANUFACTURE NEWS | NEWS


Rarely is a jumble of letters and numbers as evocative as the combination of G, S, X and R when combined with 750. Now fans of the bike that started the whole modern superbike class can start celebrating as we get word there’s a new GSX-R750 in the works.

While sales of Suzuki’s genre-defining superbike have long since fallen from its 1980s and 1990s peak, for many the GSX-R750 still hits a sweet spot that others fail to reach.

That 750cc engine is in the Goldilocks zone, not tearing your face off like today’s 1000cc superbikes but offering more power and grunt than any 600. And as the cost of 1000cc superbikes spirals ever higher, the 25 per cent capacity reduction to the GSX-R750 results in at least a similar proportion coming off the list price in most markets.

However, the current bike’s days are numbered due to new regulations in Europe. Suzuki is still flogging 2016-spec GSX-R750s there because there’s no official 2017 model. The same applies to the identical-looking, smaller-engined GSX-R600.

Officially, the 2016 bike shouldn’t even be on sale in Europe. Since 1 January, all new bikes over 125cc need to have ABS brakes and meet Euro 4 emissions rules. They should also meet a host of other requirements included in Europe’s latest type-approval regs.

The GSX-R750 and 600, last revamped for the 2011 model year, don’t comply with the new regs. Instead, Suzuki is relying on ‘derogation’ allowances, which let it sell small numbers of non-compliant, pre-2017 models for up to two years.

Come the end of 2018, if any are left over they’ll have to be re-exported (or, more realistically, registered and sold as used bikes).

Weak GSX-R600 sales mean Suzuki is likely to cancel the model when stocks run out. Honda has already dropped the CBR600RR in Europe and Kawasaki is expected to do the same with the ZX-6R, also currently being sold under derogation rules in 2016-spec.

But Suzuki insiders say the GSX-R750 won’t be allowed to die so easily.

Understandably, the firm has an attachment to the GSX-R750 that’s stronger than almost any other model in its line-up.

The original version, introduced back in 1985, was the first aluminium-framed superbike and as such set a template that virtually all its rivals went on to follow.




Suzuki to relaunch GSX-R750 - Australian Motorcycle News





I think they will stay in the US for a little longer, but long term who knows?



I believe the short answer is yes.

The Big Four Japanese have been sitting on their collective hands since the Global Financial Crisis in late 2008. The English, Italians have upped the ante with Middle Weight offerings of 675-959; KTM is rumoured to adjust their whole lineup, and part of that will include a offering between their 390 & 1290. The Germans @ BMW are pondering a Middle Weight back up to their excellent S1000RR litre bike. We're seeing Twins, Triples, I-4 & V-4 configurations. Whilst the Japanese only offer variations of the same theme: I-4 of roughly identical c.c. displacements. The market has moved on, the Japanese are still standing in 1985's footprint.

While there are still racing classes for 600 c.c. Supersports, this too will reflect consumer demand and morph into criteria that allows the new-bigger European "Middle Weights."

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Kawasaki is expected to do the same with the ZX-6R, also currently being sold under derogation rules in 2016-spec.[/COLOR][/B]
For reals? Kawasaki is expected to get rid of the ZX-6R? This only applies to Europe, but it's crazy because of how many 600cc bikes that are in production.
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I know it seems crazy, but I feel like middleweight riders really fall into one of two groups:

People who would be equally happy on an upsize middleweight or naked streetbike, and people who could just as easily adapt to a ZX10R.

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middle weight street riders may fall into those 2 groups but racing is totally different
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I guess since I haven't done track days, don't have a track only bike, and haven't raced, I was generalizing. If 600s went away, and someone wanted a precision machine only for the track, I was guessing that race classes and or trackday only riders could migrate to a literbike.

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In a very few more years, pure electric bikes will be competitive.... how will they factor in?

It almost doesn't matter, if you have two or more guys on bikes, there will be a race. Someone will try and ensure a somewhat level playing field. What is commercially available, will be raced.

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On the track I see quite a few riders killing it on FZ-07s these days. It looks like the middleweight twins might be the heir apparent to the 600 I4. I would love to see "R" versions of these middleweight twins (and triples) with a better suspension, brakes, and whatever else they can throw at them (frames?) to make them handle well. My only problem with these bikes in their current form is that you have to dump a bunch of money into them to make them good performers for track or spirited street riding. Picture in your mind a 650ish V Twin Tuono Factory, that would be a sweet bike for any stretch of pavement.
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For reals? Kawasaki is expected to get rid of the ZX-6R? This only applies to Europe, but it's crazy because of how many 600cc bikes that are in production.
Pure conjecture by an Australian publication IMHO. Kawasaki has already moved the bike above 600cc, which was a smart move.

I'd still love to see the rumoured supercharged ZX6R platform. That would be insane.

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For reals? Kawasaki is expected to get rid of the ZX-6R? This only applies to Europe, but it's crazy because of how many 600cc bikes that are in production.

I am afraid this is not just applicable to just Europe. True, their environmental laws have become decidedly stricter, the Japanese (as well as other makers) are going to a World Market models, where they are not building specific market bikes as they have done in the past.

Kawasaki is not projected to build a 636 replacement in the Super Sport category. True they may continue to utilise the 636 architecture in future models, but if I were in Vegas, I'd wager they will bore/stroke it to its limit and build a 'Big' Middle Weight, probably in a 660-750 c.c. region.

One might look to the GSX-R750 for hope. Suzuki is not going building the GSX-R600. The 750 became a 'trickle up' bike, benefiting from advancements to the 600. The GSX-R1000 is all new, so it would be feasible to continue the 'trickle down' technological advancements to the 750 via the litre bike. The only reason Suzuki is keeping the Gixxer 750 is because of its corporate history, the soul of Suzuki is the GSX-R750. This bike has been lauded as the 'perfect size for a sportbike - not too big, not too small. When the 600s are sold out, the 750 will be the 'new/old' small Gixxer - back to the future, again.'

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I guess since I haven't done track days, don't have a track only bike, and haven't raced, I was generalizing. If 600s went away, and someone wanted a precision machine only for the track, I was guessing that race classes and or trackday only riders could migrate to a literbike.
Hopefully some migrate towards smaller bikes. The last thing we need is more $15k-$25k fast bikes being ridden slow on the track lol
I love the 600 platform and price point and hope this doesn't happen anytime soon. I bought my 09 as a leftover in 2010 for 8k OTD, and I had the choice of a brand new 08 ZX10r for the same price! I was strictly a street rider back then and knew it was too much power for me though.


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On the track I see quite a few riders killing it on FZ-07s these days. It looks like the middleweight twins might be the heir apparent to the 600 I4. I would love to see "R" versions of these middleweight twins (and triples) with a better suspension, brakes, and whatever else they can throw at them (frames?) to make them handle well. My only problem with these bikes in their current form is that you have to dump a bunch of money into them to make them good performers for track or spirited street riding. Picture in your mind a 650ish V Twin Tuono Factory, that would be a sweet bike for any stretch of pavement.


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I would definitely race this FZ-07! Not exactly cheap with this setup, but I am sure you'd save a few bucks in tires throughout a season.

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