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post #16 of 26 Old 04-28-2017, 11:37 AM
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I can tell you that I am not really liking my (New to me) R1 2013. I guess there are things I like about it but overall I am not entirely impressed. Stock suspension sucks, as usual. The clutch sucks. It shifts poorly. Fueling is not great. There are things I like about it, the sound, the grunt and it looks pretty. But if I had my way, I would have bought something else. This is really hard to say. It's like coming out and saying that you are GAY. The shit of it all is that I have put Ohlins on it front and rear, a pipe and rearsets. Decisions, decisions.
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Oh but it is nice how the traction control allows you to peel the rear tire out of any corner. The TC works flawlessly. It is great on a liter bike how you can hammer the gas and do slides out of the corners. You don't have to have too much skill to make it happen.
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I can tell you that I am not really liking my (New to me) R1 2013. I guess there are things I like about it but overall I am not entirely impressed. Stock suspension sucks, as usual. The clutch sucks. It shifts poorly. Fueling is not great. There are things I like about it, the sound, the grunt and it looks pretty. But if I had my way, I would have bought something else. This is really hard to say. It's like coming out and saying that you are GAY. The shit of it all is that I have put Ohlins on it front and rear, a pipe and rearsets. Decisions, decisions.
Yeah it happens. When I bought my brand new Ducati 1198, I was sort of a noob then. Didn't know a whole lot about bikes, but I bought it because I liked the way it looked and the sound of the V-twin. When I rode it the first few times I was all smiles, but after a while I realized it was a terrible bike to have as a daily rider/commuter. Riding it in the city sucked ass. It wasn't until I took it to the track and learned how to ride better and improve my own skills that I started to really appreciate it. Took me about 1.5-2 years, but after that, once I reached a certain pace and I made it into a track-only bike, that's when I really started to like the bike. Had I not done that I probably would've sold it much sooner because as a street bike it was not very good.

And funny thing is when I took it for a test-ride at the dealer, I had just test-ridden a 2009 R1 minutes before I got on the 1198. I didn't care too much for the R1 at the time, but granted it was like a 5-minute ride only so not a very good test.

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Yeah it happens. When I bought my brand new Ducati 1198, I was sort of a noob then. Didn't know a whole lot about bikes, but I bought it because I liked the way it looked and the sound of the V-twin. When I rode it the first few times I was all smiles, but after a while I realized it was a terrible bike to have as a daily rider/commuter. Riding it in the city sucked ass. It wasn't until I took it to the track and learned how to ride better and improve my own skills that I started to really appreciate it. Took me about 1.5-2 years, but after that, once I reached a certain pace and I made it into a track-only bike, that's when I really started to like the bike. Had I not done that I probably would've sold it much sooner because as a street bike it was not very good.

And funny thing is when I took it for a test-ride at the dealer, I had just test-ridden a 2009 R1 minutes before I got on the 1198. I didn't care too much for the R1 at the time, but granted it was like a 5-minute ride only so not a very good test.
If only you'd looked up MCN's unbiased and superlative group test before purchase.
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Funny shit there. Ya MCN know all about it. I had a 2008 Cbr1000 before the R1 and it was a lot more forgiving. I just wanted a cross plane engine because I had never had one before. It's just hard to work the bugs out of this one. I have tons of riding experience but I don't like to work too hard to go fast. The Zx6 is easy to boogie on. The R1 is fun but it is a lot of work. I am not sure I am up to it. As far as using it for the track, I already have a track only Zx6 so it doesn't really make sense to have a $11,000 in another track bike when I rarely go to the street track.
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Funny shit there. Ya MCN know all about it. I had a 2008 Cbr1000 before the R1 and it was a lot more forgiving. I just wanted a cross plane engine because I had never had one before. It's just hard to work the bugs out of this one. I have tons of riding experience but I don't like to work too hard to go fast. The Zx6 is easy to boogie on. The R1 is fun but it is a lot of work. I am not sure I am up to it. As far as using it for the track, I already have a track only Zx6 so it doesn't really make sense to have a $11,000 in another track bike when I rarely go to the street track.
No i know you do, I wasn't implying that you should make it a track bike, just saying that some of these bikes suck in certain conditions (like urban environment), so I'm not surprised that you're not a huge fan of the 2009-2014 R1.

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I just can't believe they picked the Honda as the winner. It was slowest in acceleration, least powerful, about in the middle of the group in lap times, and not all that great on the street either. They even said it wasn't the best at anything, but relatively good at everything...so how the hell can you pick that as the winner?? That logic makes no sense to me.
Because Honda pays them the most to make sure that they win. MCN is hardly unbiased.
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I guess, for a non-racer, or a 'new to literbikes' rider, they might be interested in which one is easiest to ride. Which is easiest to ride fast. Which is least likely to punish me for a mistake? Which imparts confidence that will allow me to learn more quickly?

Also, for someone who might only have one bike, which is the best for the street while still being reasonable on track could be a good question.

I guess it's hard to say, "This is the best bike." It should come down to "this is the best at: ..."

For some, that may make Honda the best bike, if they're looking for confidence and easy to ride quickly. But I think it would be more honest to be more specific with what each bike is for.

Nuance doesn't sell, though.
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I guess, for a non-racer, or a 'new to literbikes' rider, they might be interested in which one is easiest to ride. Which is easiest to ride fast. Which is least likely to punish me for a mistake? Which imparts confidence that will allow me to learn more quickly?

Also, for someone who might only have one bike, which is the best for the street while still being reasonable on track could be a good question.

I guess it's hard to say, "This is the best bike." It should come down to "this is the best at: ..."

For some, that may make Honda the best bike, if they're looking for confidence and easy to ride quickly. But I think it would be more honest to be more specific with what each bike is for.

Nuance doesn't sell, though.
Don't get me wrong, I totally get that. But the MCN guys even said the Honda was NOT the best on the street. It wasn't the easiest to ride except when they rode in the rain briefly (and that could really be more about the tires than the bike). That's why I think it's funny that they would name it the winner when it wasn't the best at anything, and mostly average.

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I guess, for a non-racer, or a 'new to literbikes' rider, they might be interested in which one is easiest to ride. Which is easiest to ride fast. Which is least likely to punish me for a mistake? Which imparts confidence that will allow me to learn more quickly?

Also, for someone who might only have one bike, which is the best for the street while still being reasonable on track could be a good question.

I guess it's hard to say, "This is the best bike." It should come down to "this is the best at: ..."

For some, that may make Honda the best bike, if they're looking for confidence and easy to ride quickly. But I think it would be more honest to be more specific with what each bike is for.

Nuance doesn't sell, though.
This is all true. Before litre bikes were the norm and the 750's (and the 916) were at their peak, I felt the Fireblade was actually the least punishing to most riders. It could turn in late, the chassis handled well, the brakes were adequate and the engine torquey enough not to require tap-dancing on the left pedal. The 16" front made tyre choice a pain.

The 'Blade wasn't the best at anything. The GSX-R was snappier in handling and braking, the ZX-7R had a more planted front end and sure-footedness, the 916 had practically untouchable sex appeal.

The real difference in the intervening years? I suppose Honda didn't have the budget to blow on better press. Given this MCN review? They're back to previous form.

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That MCN main guy...has always loved Hondas, then Ducatis.
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