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post #61 of 171 Old 06-21-2016, 04:44 AM
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Really though ?

I have been riding 20 years now, I frequrent many forums and I've done 100 trackdays. I only know 1 person killed on a motorbike.

By the same count, I know 5 from forums who've died not on bikes from various ailments/issues...

It's hardly like they're all throwing themselves into walls every day.
You have been very fortunate, in both your riding and with your friends or maybe it is because I am just plain old.

I can rattle off dozens of names of people who have died or have had their lives seriously negatively impacted by crashing motorcycles. Hell, my race team is named in memory of a friend who passed while riding.

While I agree with your earlier statement that we do what we need to do to feel alive, I completely disagree that we need to do it without trying to give ourselves the best shot for doing it and surviving.

Training, education, and gear go a long way before you ever swing a leg over a bike. Just because you rode like an idiot and survived does not mean others will be so lucky, and we live in the most dangerous times for street riders with texting, cell phones, or just plain indifference from drivers which further stacks the deck against us.

I have almost completely stopped riding on the streets at this point, as I just don't feel that it is safe and this is coming from a guy who just got run over by a motorcycle last weekend.

I am here and in one piece because of my training (I stayed low enough), I was wearing the right gear (armored leathers and padded shorts), and because I chose to ride in a place where I had nearly instant medical attention (the track. It was less than 10 seconds before I had someone at my side after my crash). That is what I mean by taking the necessary precautions.

I am not here to tell anyone how to ride. If you want to ride at 100mph in the rain on public roads, I will disapprove but that is your call and likely nothing I can say will change your mind. What I do say is to make sure that you give yourself the best chance of surviving when that unfortunate incident happens.
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post #62 of 171 Old 06-21-2016, 04:50 AM
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Don't get me wrong mate, I don't ride like that now.... but I did.
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Sure not everyone who rides like an idiot ends up dead. Many of them crash the bike, get hurt, and never ride again. Many of them crash the bike multiply, get hurt someone in their family talks them out of ever riding bikes again. The simple reality is that starting the right way, learning the right way, is the better recipe for a long happy life of riding motorcycles. I did not personally start quite the right way. I bought a 750 in line four having never taken a class, jumped on it, ask the guy what all the controls were and rode down the street. I did not crash that motorcycle, fell over once on the next bike, no trouble on the third or fourth, and finally took the MSF course while I was riding to it on a ZX11. If I could do it all over again I would've taken the course first. But yeah, I survived. And I managed to do so without destroying motorcycles and my health. But it does not mean that I wasn't at far greater risk. And I had a couple incidents where my lack of experience cause me to allow expensive motorcycles to fall over and be damaged.

To the original poster I would say, "Leave the damage fairings on for now until you go a significant period of time without tipping it over again. If you think you are upset now about what you have done to your new motorcycle, think about how you will feel if you spend thousands of dollars on new plastic and do it again. "

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Leave the fairings on. It doesn't look that bad at all. Plus when you drop it again, you won't have to replace another set of special anniversary edition fairings.

Also, how do you have only 200 bucks to spend?? Why did you buy a $10k+ bike then?
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To be honest, I disagree with most posts on here.

I bought a sportsbike for my first bike, I'd never sat on a bike before.. I rode like a lunatic.... at times I crashed, it hurt... I then bought a faster bike, a faster bike, again, I crashed... but lucky I guess at times and in the right place.

Whilst I completely see their point, we're guys, we do stupid shit, we jump dirt bikes, we throw ourselves down racetracks, we ride down mountain on pushbikes, it's what we do, it keeps us alive inside.

Sure, it's not a great learner bike, sure you may get hurt... .but you may not.

Have a little think sometimes, but you know what mate, wear the right gear, get on track and you may just survive with your balls and wallet OK.
I hear you...and if you really knew me...more times than not you'd say...this guys fucking crazxy..what's he doing...I do some crazy things to get my rocks off sometimes...Heres the thing.. I never entered a combat zone without knowing how to operate a rifle. I never jumped out of a plane without knowing how to operate a parachute. I never went diving without knowing how to dive. I did all of these things after..and ONLY after, I educated myself on the risks associated with what I was doing, and provided myself the technical knowhow to attempt to do it in the first place. What he's doing is like a 5 year old saying..."hey, look at this gun in my dad's closet"

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Mafia, you are doing it way wrong.... Trial by fire, school of hard knocks hurts. You barely have any real damage and thankfully you didn't get physically hurt. Hopefully you got the right gear..... But really, You need rider education to gain experience learn fundamentals, and develop respect for what you have. Then you can continue to progress safely with this performance riding sport . The racetrack is best for this.

I run motovid.com and we have a sport riding 101 course July 27 you should consider. MotoVid.com

Course is held at Blackhawk farms Raceway 1 hour north of Chgo and a proper racetrack. So it's an ideal, conducive environment for this rider education. We have a big weekend this week, but it's sold out. You can still ride up to BFR and check us out, no gate fees for onlookers.

PM me if you want details, I will give you a zx6r.com member discount t if you decide to invest in your rider edu and roll with Motovid.com July 27th.

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Don't get me wrong mate, I don't ride like that now.... but I did.
And we're happy you don't so you could be here to tell MaFia he needs to slow the fuck down!

EDIT*** oh thats right..."liter bike" I forgot I was done here!
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Mafia, you are doing it way wrong.... Trial by fire, school of hard knocks hurts. You barely have any real damage and thankfully you didn't get physically hurt. Hopefully you got the right gear..... But really, You need rider education to gain experience learn fundamentals, and develop respect for what you have. Then you can continue to progress safely with this performance riding sport . The racetrack is best for this.

I run motovid.com and we have a sport riding 101 course July 27 you should consider. MotoVid.com

Course is held at Blackhawk farms Raceway 1 hour north of Chgo and a proper racetrack. So it's an ideal, conducive environment for this rider education. We have a big weekend this week, but it's sold out. You can still ride up to BFR and check us out, no gate fees for onlookers.

PM me if you want details, I will give you a zx6r.com member discount t if you decide to invest in your rider edu and roll with Motovid.com July 27th.

Ride safe
Sounds like fun, but also sounds pretty damn expensive. Plus I work on July 27th so that's no bueno.

I rode last night for the first time since I damaged the bike. Even when I'm trying to "take it easy" I'm still hitting 75 on the highway. Which isn't horrible I suppose, but with all these stories of death and dismemberment coupled with my two accidents within a month of my purchase, I gotta say the whole fearless thrill I used to feel is now tainted by a little fear and now doing stupid shit just isn't as enjoyable as it used to be...sure I was being a dumbass but Im also hard-pressed to think of many times I was actually having more fun in life than when I'm breezing through traffic at 90+. Now I'm legit intimidated by just the thought and it's really messing with me.

I'm not trying to be out here riding for several seasons before i finally build up the confidence to ride fast again..but at the same time I don't exactly want to die either, so I'm having a bit of internal conflict...
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You know I actually recall what I had said earlier about wanting to ride with a group, and it seems what really matters is if anyone wants to ride with my crazy ass lol

Nah but for real though I'm definitely willing to learn. I feel that in life our purpose is to acquire knowledge so if my interest is in riding, I need to ensure I receive as much as possible when it comes to this whole riding thing. I gotta show some respect, bottom line.

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Personally... I wouldn't ride with you if I knew how you rode by yourself ahead of time. But I would if you used your head and were willing to learn.

I ran a group that ended up having over 300 people in it. Mostly folks that wanted to enjoy a ride and have a meal with like minded people, but there were those few. Those few that felt they needed to impress the others with how "well" they could ride. They never lasted long in our group. Because they either realized they weren't impressing anyone or they simply found out that they weren't as "good" as they thought and ended up embarrassed or something and left the group.

At the same time... there was this one guy. (There were others but this one sticks out in my mind). He was a young kid.... on a piece of shit bike. He went on a group ride with us and ended up crashing 3 times on that ride. Eventually the group held a novice riders clinic. He and about 12 or 13 others in the group attended. He learned some things. Fast forward to today. The kid races a ZX10R and lives in Wisconsin. He's a member on here. I still give him shit once in a while but when I think back to it... we may have saved this kids life. At the very least we gave him a new found appreciation for these things.

Open up to the fact that this machine doesn't care about you. It will flick you off and onto the ground without warning. But with skilled hands and respect she will grow to be a companion. You'll have dreams about her. Seriously... it's a love affair. Let that love affair bloom into something good. Learn more... teach yourself self-control. And be wiser than those just starting out.

I know guy that went from fledgling 250 rider to B group track day rider in less than 6 months with the right head on their shoulders. Riding well takes time, practice, and patience. A monkey can lane split at 90.

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wELCOME TO THE FORUM BROTHER LITERBIKES TEND TO BE EASIER TO "BALANCE" AS FAR AS "TIPPING OVER " OR "DROPPING"
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To be honest, I disagree with most posts on here.

I bought a sportsbike for my first bike, I'd never sat on a bike before.. I rode like a lunatic.... at times I crashed, it hurt... I then bought a faster bike, a faster bike, again, I crashed... but lucky I guess at times and in the right place.

Whilst I completely see their point, we're guys, we do stupid shit, we jump dirt bikes, we throw ourselves down racetracks, we ride down mountain on pushbikes, it's what we do, it keeps us alive inside.

Sure, it's not a great learner bike, sure you may get hurt... .but you may not.

Have a little think sometimes, but you know what mate, wear the right gear, get on track and you may just survive with your balls and wallet OK.
You got lucky.

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Mafia, you are doing it way wrong.... Trial by fire, school of hard knocks hurts. You barely have any real damage and thankfully you didn't get physically hurt. Hopefully you got the right gear..... But really, You need rider education to gain experience learn fundamentals, and develop respect for what you have. Then you can continue to progress safely with this performance riding sport . The racetrack is best for this.

I run motovid.com and we have a sport riding 101 course July 27 you should consider. MotoVid.com

Course is held at Blackhawk farms Raceway 1 hour north of Chgo and a proper racetrack. So it's an ideal, conducive environment for this rider education. We have a big weekend this week, but it's sold out. You can still ride up to BFR and check us out, no gate fees for onlookers.

PM me if you want details, I will give you a zx6r.com member discount t if you decide to invest in your rider edu and roll with Motovid.com July 27th.

Ride safe
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Sounds like fun, but also sounds pretty damn expensive. Plus I work on July 27th so that's no bueno.

I rode last night for the first time since I damaged the bike. Even when I'm trying to "take it easy" I'm still hitting 75 on the highway. Which isn't horrible I suppose, but with all these stories of death and dismemberment coupled with my two accidents within a month of my purchase, I gotta say the whole fearless thrill I used to feel is now tainted by a little fear and now doing stupid shit just isn't as enjoyable as it used to be...sure I was being a dumbass but Im also hard-pressed to think of many times I was actually having more fun in life than when I'm breezing through traffic at 90+. Now I'm legit intimidated by just the thought and it's really messing with me.

I'm not trying to be out here riding for several seasons before i finally build up the confidence to ride fast again..but at the same time I don't exactly want to die either, so I'm having a bit of internal conflict...
You'll soon learn that this hobby is VERY expensive if you immerse yourself in it enough. I'd do whatever you can to make something like this happen. Trust me.... when you finally learn how much more fun braking and leaning that thing is that pegging the throttle on the freeway you'll really want to keep doing it.


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Sounds like fun, but also sounds pretty damn expensive. Plus I work on July 27th so that's no bueno.

I rode last night for the first time since I damaged the bike. Even when I'm trying to "take it easy" I'm still hitting 75 on the highway. Which isn't horrible I suppose, but with all these stories of death and dismemberment coupled with my two accidents within a month of my purchase, I gotta say the whole fearless thrill I used to feel is now tainted by a little fear and now doing stupid shit just isn't as enjoyable as it used to be...sure I was being a dumbass but Im also hard-pressed to think of many times I was actually having more fun in life than when I'm breezing through traffic at 90+. Now I'm legit intimidated by just the thought and it's really messing with me.

I'm not trying to be out here riding for several seasons before i finally build up the confidence to ride fast again..but at the same time I don't exactly want to die either, so I'm having a bit of internal conflict...
This might be a new phenomenon for you but that is your brain trying to learn something and apply it to your actions and behavior moving forward. Stop fighting it and let it happen.
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Sounds like fun, but also sounds pretty damn expensive. Plus I work on July 27th so that's no bueno.
First of...it's worth every penny.

Second...the $100-$200 or whatever it may be, could prove to be a lot cheaper than fixing your bike the next time you crash, if it helps you become a better rider and potentially prevent another very avoidable incident.

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Mafia, its true, education cost $$$, an investment proactively in your new hobby that is expensive.... to spend $200.00 on rider education to learn how to handle your 10K machine is roughly 2%.

But really, expensive is a relative term.... look at the wasted $$$ you will now spend on your ignorance, lack of basic riding fundamentals that put you on your head in a parking lot with sand.... taken at real world speed, even small 30-40 mph get off will not be in hundreds, more likely thousands of dollars or worse.

That's what the group is attempting to help you with. Learning what you don't know doesn't have to hurt. Being ignorant to it can.

You really should ride out to BFR this weekend checkout what track days are all about, once again we're sold out so no room to ride even if you wanted to..... but you can still see how we do it.

Gives you a chance to meet a bunch of track day folks, club racers and avid street riders like you at all levels. You will see why a track day is safer and faster than you have ever (will ever) gone on the public roads.
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Mafia, its true, education cost $$$, an investment proactively in your new hobby that is expensive.... to spend $200.00 on rider education to learn how to handle your 10K machine is roughly 2%.

But really, expensive is a relative term.... look at the wasted $$$ you will now spend on your ignorance, lack of basic riding fundamentals that put you on your head in a parking lot with sand.... taken at real world speed, even small 30-40 mph get off will not be in hundreds, more likely thousands of dollars or worse.

That's what the group is attempting to help you with. Learning what you don't know doesn't have to hurt. Being ignorant to it can.

You really should ride out to BFR this weekend checkout what track days are all about, once again we're sold out so no room to ride even if you wanted to..... but you can still see how we do it.

Gives you a chance to meet a bunch of track day folks, club racers and avid street riders like you at all levels. You will see why a track day is safer and faster than you have ever (will ever) gone on the public roads.
Sounds interesting, I may just have to take you up on that. I work Wed-Sat though (10 hour shifts) so I'm hoping this is going on Sunday?
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Sounds interesting, I may just have to take you up on that. I work Wed-Sat though (10 hour shifts) so I'm hoping this is going on Sunday?
good times bro, even if you just spectating, hanging in the paddock....here's the google map link.... ride out and have some lunch with us. Stop by tech bldg,. you see my white panigale #447 and 2015 ZX6R in street bike form as a track day bike (rented to a customer)

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Really though ?

I have been riding 20 years now, I frequrent many forums and I've done 100 trackdays. I only know 1 person killed on a motorbike.

By the same count, I know 5 from forums who've died not on bikes from various ailments/issues...

It's hardly like they're all throwing themselves into walls every day.
It's probably where you live. Here in the bay area we are averaging about one fatality per week. Some weeks there are a couple sometimes we go two weeks without any.... There have been two motorcyclist cops hit and killed just this month.

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Sounds like fun, but also sounds pretty damn expensive. Plus I work on July 27th so that's no bueno.

I rode last night for the first time since I damaged the bike. Even when I'm trying to "take it easy" I'm still hitting 75 on the highway. Which isn't horrible I suppose, but with all these stories of death and dismemberment coupled with my two accidents within a month of my purchase, I gotta say the whole fearless thrill I used to feel is now tainted by a little fear and now doing stupid shit just isn't as enjoyable as it used to be...sure I was being a dumbass but Im also hard-pressed to think of many times I was actually having more fun in life than when I'm breezing through traffic at 90+. Now I'm legit intimidated by just the thought and it's really messing with me.

I'm not trying to be out here riding for several seasons before i finally build up the confidence to ride fast again..but at the same time I don't exactly want to die either, so I'm having a bit of internal conflict...
That's pretty cheap for any sort of riding school and he said you'll get a discount on top of that. The total control basic course in CA is boring as hell (since I already knew how to ride a bike) and it runs people almost $300. Motorcycling is a pretty expensive hobby and supersport bikes are in the expensive end of the spectrum. A $250 day is going to be a lot cheaper than your $10,000 hospital bill and/or a few grand for a solid oak casket and funeral services.
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OP... when it comes to money.

Average track day is around $150

Average speeding ticket is around $300

Average impound cost + reckless driving + court fees + possible fine would likely be around $5000 depending on what you were doing to get pulled over.

Average cost of an ambulance ride is around $5000

Average cost of medical bill for broken bone - $3500


I didn't bring up any funeral costs.... that's just morbid.


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