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Hi, everyone! I'm newly registered and this is officially post #1 but I've been lurking here and there for a while. I'm from the San Francisco area and have been on a Honda CBR500R for my first bike and am just about to log 15,000 miles. Mom and dad still aren't thrilled but I'm having the time of my life. Unfortunately, I've been looking for 7th gear and a little bit more from my 500R for a while; I think I'm about ready to plunk down some money for a ZX-6R but will still keep my 1st bike. Call me sentimental!

First order of business - What should I be expecting to pay OTD for a 2015 or 2016 that's new? I spoke to 2 dealerships today and OTD with taxes, title, docs, fees, etc is $12K. How is that? Should I wait a couple more months?

Thanks for the warm welcome, tips, advice, humor (nothing offends and there's nothing you can take too far!), and information.

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post #2 of 68 Old 12-01-2016, 01:39 AM
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Welcome. Compare pricing on cycletrader.com and see what dealer pricing is like.

Hopefully you have already invested in training and riding gear?
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Welcome.

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Regarding price, RJ gave good information. You could also consider a gently used bike if price is a major concern.

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Welcome to the forum..
Always nice to hear a ladies voice..

Unless there is something the newest model has the others don't, considering a gentle used bike is a great option. IF the owner isn't crazy about the asking price.

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Welcome aboard, we are glad you've decided to come out of the shadows.

You have a conundrum, 1) you can look to a dealer that's closet to you (and that's if you are not expecting to move anytime real soon); 2) or you can look for best price for X-miles from where you live.

Not sure.where specifically you are, but you might look east, say100-miles. That would easily put you in Sacramento, Yuba City, Marysville, Roseville, Redding, Fresno, Visalia, etc. My 1st instinct would be to go close to I-5 cities, away from cities on the coast, say Santa Cruz or Monterey, but perhaps a smaller town like Salinas or Paso Robles.

Now, that's not to say don't check with coastal dealers, I would think the closer you are to The City, the more you will pay. Especially if you can find a dealer you has been sitting on a '15 that just has not been able to move.

The closer to Spring/summer the more you will pay, so if you can afford to pull the trigger now, go for it. Also, go to the dealer at the end of the Quarterly months (Mar., Jun., Sep., Dec.). Choose a day where the weather is not warm and sunny. And finally, take a male friend who knows a thing or two about bikes, the sales person will initially be inclined to speak to him and not you, but have your friend redirect the salesperson to you. This is not a time to be righteous (that comes when you drive away with a fabulous deal in hand). You are there simply to get the best price possible.

Don't be afraid to walk away. Look at it this way, you are going to have lunch/dinner in a town you normally wouldn't dine at. That's the worst thing that will happen. Leaven your name and number. Remember there are various components that go into the price you pay. A good example is my dealer does not charge 'set up fees', that alone can save a couple hundred dollars. My favourite question that I ask before I walk out the door (w/o a bike) is, "... Have you sold too many bikes this month; or can you afford to sell another...?"

Now, the thing you are buying if you buy from the closest dealer is ease of service, should you have a mechanical issue. Say you live in Milpitas, and have to go to San José... Not a big deal. Usually, the selling dealer will give you a price break on retail items (sometimes you have to ask for it/inform the Parts guy you bought your bike there).

So, you see there's not one answer that fits all occasions/people.
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Shopping dealerships..... the best prices are possible at the largest dealerships, I am sorry to say. The discounts offered by the mfgs to get the dealers to buy larger volumes result in much lower unit pricing for a dealership that can buy more identical units -- particularly when the numbers they buy, go over half a dozen or so. That dealership will pay a number of thousands less per bike, than a mom and pop shop that can only buy one or two.

They won't pass the whole saving on to a customer.... but a savvy customer has more room to try and beat on them to get as much of that difference as possible.
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Hi, everyone! I'm newly registered and this is officially post #1 but I've been lurking here and there for a while. I'm from the San Francisco area and have been on a Honda CBR500R for my first bike and am just about to log 15,000 miles. Mom and dad still aren't thrilled but I'm having the time of my life. Unfortunately, I've been looking for 7th gear and a little bit more from my 500R for a while; I think I'm about ready to plunk down some money for a ZX-6R but will still keep my 1st bike. Call me sentimental!

First order of business - What should I be expecting to pay OTD for a 2015 or 2016 that's new? I spoke to 2 dealerships today and OTD with taxes, title, docs, fees, etc is $12K. How is that? Should I wait a couple more months?

Thanks for the warm welcome, tips, advice, humor (nothing offends and there's nothing you can take too far!), and information.

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Welcome! I think you'll find this forum very helpful and entertaining, but you probably already have since you said you've been lurking around. I have a CBR500R as well, in addition to my '09 zx6r. Great bikes, I agree that you should keep the 500 too if you can.

If you want to save more money I suggest buying a lightly used one. Plenty of '13-'15 ones in good shape for sale anywhere in the $7000-$9500 range if you buy from private individuals. There are even a few for sale on here I think, although you'd likely have to ship it (still cheaper even with shipping). Dealers are expensive, but to each their own.
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Welcome aboard, we are glad you've decided to come out of the shadows.

You have a conundrum, 1) you can look to a dealer that's closet to you (and that's if you are not expecting to move anytime real soon); 2) or you can look for best price for X-miles from where you live.

Not sure.where specifically you are, but you might look east, say100-miles. That would easily put you in Sacramento, Yuba City, Marysville, Roseville, Redding, Fresno, Visalia, etc. My 1st instinct would be to go close to I-5 cities, away from cities on the coast, say Santa Cruz or Monterey, but perhaps a smaller town like Salinas or Paso Robles.

Now, that's not to say don't check with coastal dealers, I would think the closer you are to The City, the more you will pay. Especially if you can find a dealer you has been sitting on a '15 that just has not been able to move.

The closer to Spring/summer the more you will pay, so if you can afford to pull the trigger now, go for it. Also, go to the dealer at the end of the Quarterly months (Mar., Jun., Sep., Dec.). Choose a day where the weather is not warm and sunny. And finally, take a male friend who knows a thing or two about bikes, the sales person will initially be inclined to speak to him and not you, but have your friend redirect the salesperson to you. This is not a time to be righteous (that comes when you drive away with a fabulous deal in hand). You are there simply to get the best price possible.

Don't be afraid to walk away. Look at it this way, you are going to have lunch/dinner in a town you normally wouldn't dine at. That's the worst thing that will happen. Leaven your name and number. Remember there are various components that go into the price you pay. A good example is my dealer does not charge 'set up fees', that alone can save a couple hundred dollars. My favourite question that I ask before I walk out the door (w/o a bike) is, "... Have you sold too many bikes this month; or can you afford to sell another...?"

Now, the thing you are buying if you buy from the closest dealer is ease of service, should you have a mechanical issue. Say you live in Milpitas, and have to go to San José... Not a big deal. Usually, the selling dealer will give you a price break on retail items (sometimes you have to ask for it/inform the Parts guy you bought your bike there).

So, you see there's not one answer that fits all occasions/people.
Don't come down here for dealerships Monterey and Salinas are garbage and love ripping people off haha. Santa Cruz I have no idea but I r heard of good deals from places in Visalia or Fresno.

Oh and welcome to the forum!
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Don't come down here for dealerships Monterey and Salinas are garbage and love ripping people off haha. Santa Cruz I have no idea but I r heard of good deals from places in Visalia or Fresno.

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Agreed. They are pretty indifferent.

I definitely recommend Gilroy Motorcycle Center. I got my 14 zx6r for about mid 11k OTD.
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Welcome aboard, we are glad you've decided to come out of the shadows.

You have a conundrum, 1) you can look to a dealer that's closet to you (and that's if you are not expecting to move anytime real soon); 2) or you can look for best price for X-miles from where you live.

Not sure.where specifically you are, but you might look east, say100-miles. That would easily put you in Sacramento, Yuba City, Marysville, Roseville, Redding, Fresno, Visalia, etc. My 1st instinct would be to go close to I-5 cities, away from cities on the coast, say Santa Cruz or Monterey, but perhaps a smaller town like Salinas or Paso Robles.

Now, that's not to say don't check with coastal dealers, I would think the closer you are to The City, the more you will pay. Especially if you can find a dealer you has been sitting on a '15 that just has not been able to move.

The closer to Spring/summer the more you will pay, so if you can afford to pull the trigger now, go for it. Also, go to the dealer at the end of the Quarterly months (Mar., Jun., Sep., Dec.). Choose a day where the weather is not warm and sunny. And finally, take a male friend who knows a thing or two about bikes, the sales person will initially be inclined to speak to him and not you, but have your friend redirect the salesperson to you. This is not a time to be righteous (that comes when you drive away with a fabulous deal in hand). You are there simply to get the best price possible.

This. I completely agree with. I'd get out of the immediate SF bay area and look at dealers as recommend above, if you want something new. If not, I would recommend BARF. I've seen a couple '13+ on sale on that forum and you don't have to pay the BS Fees that the dealership hands you. If you need any help, hit me up. I live in Pacifica, which is right next to SF.
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Here's a '13 with only 900 miles selling for 9k. Probably could talk him down a bit too. If your stuck in the mindset of buying new or just want a '15 or '16, your going to pay the steep price of the dealership.
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Welcome aboard.

I'm with the others who say buy used. They practically give these things away used.

Are you hell bent on a ZX-6R, though? It's a cool bike, but there are so many cool bikes available these days that, if you're in the enviable position of being able to buy a new one, you owe it to yourself to try out a bunch of different ones. For instance, something like a Ducati Monster, or Yamaha FZ-09 would probably be more appropriate for road use, even if they're aren't quite as fast around a racetrack.
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I bought a brand new 2014 ZX10R for $10k even 2 years ago. I would think you should be able to find a brand new 6 for not more than that.
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