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post #16 of 81 Old 03-03-2017, 07:06 AM
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Woah settle down there man. No need to get your Street triple panties in a bunch. I just don't like Honda, never said anything about being a Kawisnob,(note..this IS is ZX6R forum soo...) I do like my one buddy's Striple. I am going to be doing a lot of searching etc to see if I can meet up with people who would do a bike swap for a few miles to see what I like/dont like.

I would need to ride a naked bike, I am 5'7 ~148 lbs so any wind is going to push me around. I would need a windscreen if I were to get the z650(it does look sexy though!) I appreciate your advice and you don't have to bash what people like. That is just not a cool thing to do. We are all riders at the end of the day so lets just get along 'kay?
Fairings have very little to do with whether the wind will push a bike around..... I happen to like naked bikes more than ones with fairings; I ride the ZX6 because it has good enough suspension, power and low enough weight to make it near my ideal for those properties.

The ergos are a bit much, for riding more than a couple of hours at a time. The younger you are and the more flexible, the less of an impact that may have. Some of the riders on this forum who have made their bikes into touring machines have changed out the clip ons so they can elevate the bars slightly. Every little bit helps.

The biggest issue I see, for long distance is the limited fuel supply.

My 2005 Yamaha FZ6 carried 5 gallons of fuel.... that meant more than 200 miles between fill ups. I hated the fairing on that bike. Made ridiculous amounts of turbulence, which made it unpleasantly noisy from the buffeting. Good ergos, decent power, lousy cheap price point suspension components really limited what I could do with the bike.

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Fairings have very little to do with whether the wind will push a bike around..... I happen to like naked bikes more than ones with fairings; I ride the ZX6 because it has good enough suspension, power and low enough weight to make it near my ideal for those properties.

The ergos are a bit much, for riding more than a couple of hours at a time. The younger you are and the more flexible, the less of an impact that may have. Some of the riders on this forum who have made their bikes into touring machines have changed out the clip ons so they can elevate the bars slightly. Every little bit helps.

The biggest issue I see, for long distance is the limited fuel supply.

My 2005 Yamaha FZ6 carried 5 gallons of fuel.... that meant more than 200 miles between fill ups. I hated the fairing on that bike. Made ridiculous amounts of turbulence, which made it unpleasantly noisy from the buffeting. Good ergos, decent power, lousy cheap price point suspension components really limited what I could do with the bike.
I do like the Mileage I get out of my 3.8 gallon 2014 ninja 300. I don't mind because on the route i take we pass a lot of gas stations and since I ride with a lot of different bikes (ducati's, ninja 650, street triples, gsx 650's) We usually stop once or twice (drink breaks/etc are also important!) outside of fill-ups. I do like the look of the Z650 it is a great looking naked. I will sit on a bunch of different bikes at dealers and see if I can get friends to let me ride their bikes to feel them out. I rode my brothers R3 but wasn't a fan.
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Twin cylinder designs tend to have a more forgiving power band -- more torque, less top end rush. Twins should be lighter than 4 cylinder designs, due to less mass in the engine. Often this is not true, as the multi cylinder designs get a lot more attention to keep the weight down.

Naked bikes typically do not get the best quality components, as the mfgs would like them to be stepping stones to their more lucrative products.

A 60+ HP sub 400 lb bike is a lot of fun to ride, and can be a lot more forgiving on tires, brakes, and drive train components. Not to mention insurance costs.

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Oh we would be renting a trailer or something. I would not want to ride 2h... then do more track riding... then ride back. There is also the possibility of going down or having a mechanical issue occur. Thank you for the advice!
Just rent a Uhaul trailer or even better see if a friend has a truck you could use. Renting Uhaul trailers for more than 1 track day start to lose its value as you will quickly, or eventually, get to the point where you could of just purchased a trailer outright. I also agree with the above statement about ABS. Huge quality of life upgrade considering the distances you want to travel. I imagine youre gonna be running a very hard compound tire as well.
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Just rent a Uhaul trailer or even better see if a friend has a truck you could use. Renting Uhaul trailers for more than 1 track day start to lose its value as you will quickly, or eventually, get to the point where you could of just purchased a trailer outright. I also agree with the above statement about ABS. Huge quality of life upgrade considering the distances you want to travel. I imagine youre gonna be running a very hard compound tire as well.
Everything on my 300 is stock I wanted to do at least 1 track day (I don't see it becoming a very common thing for me at this point) I have a IXIL SLip on and a yoshi fender eliminator kit. The bike has about 1250 miles on it (all put there myself) so I do not see the need to replace the tires if im not going to be a serious track competitor. The bike I have is the ABS model as well.
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Everything on my 300 is stock I wanted to do at least 1 track day (I don't see it becoming a very common thing for me at this point) I have a IXIL SLip on and a vender eliminator kit. The bike has about 1250 miles on it (all put there myself) so I do not see the need to replace the tires if im not going to be a serious track competitor. The bike I have is the ABS model as well.
I was referring to the tires youre going to use on the street while putting that many miles on them.
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My first 600 was a Yamaha FZ6 which I rode everywhere and often made day trips of 300 to 450 miles. Move to a CBR600RR which I put riser bars on and a Saddlemen seat and have ridden as many as 600 miles in a day (stopped every couple of hours). Have not taken a real long ride on the ZX6R yet but that's because I crushed part of my kneecap and spent most of last year getting over that. I'm 5 10 and weigh 180 and am over 60 and the knee bend on the ZX6R is actually less than the CBR. IMO the seat is better than the CBR. To me the ZX6R is a really sweet bike that goes well, the extra midrange is nice when loafing around town but when the throttle is twisted it will goes very nicely. When wound up (10,000 to red line) the CBR seems as quick as the ZX6R but does lack the midrange. The ZX6R has traction control (2013 and newer) and ABS is available. I'd recommend ABS for the street because it's a nice backup just in case. I've had mine give one or two "bumps" which lets me know i'm at the limit on braking. Traction control is fun in the wet and is nice when exiting a corner and hitting a slick spot. NOTE ABS models have indication of ABS on the bike, since all models have the speed sensors on the wheels that does not indicate ABS.

Don't know about where you are but in the south there are new 2015 and 2016 ZX6R's available at good prices. May be able to find a 2014 even - got my 2014 in south Georgia a year ago for $8995 OTD but that didn't include local sales taxes.
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Insurance was going to be more for me with a 2013 z1000 than it is for my 2011 zx10r haha, so naked bikes aren't always cheaper.

I personally hate riding the zx6r on the street, it is super uncomfortable but for some reason I can ride the zx10r for 100s of miles without being bothered much *shrugs* The 10r gets 36mpg which is neat too! But don't go from a 300 to a 1000 please

The Street Triple is great but super ugly. It looks like a dead bug.
If you want something comfortable, not ugly as hell, and fun to ride I'd get a Fz09 or GSX-S750.

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Woah settle down there man. No need to get your Street triple panties in a bunch. I just don't like Honda, never said anything about being a Kawisnob,(note..this IS is ZX6R forum soo...) I do like my one buddy's Striple. I am going to be doing a lot of searching etc to see if I can meet up with people who would do a bike swap for a few miles to see what I like/dont like.
Lol...I can't decide if that's an insult on purpose towards Sanctuary who is a Triumph fanatic, by thinking that the Street Triple is a Honda, or if you really didn't know

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The Street Triple is great but super ugly. It looks like a dead bug.
If you want something comfortable, not ugly as hell, and fun to ride I'd get a Fz09 or GSX-S750.
A dead bug!! I like that. Never thought of it that way, but it's pretty spot on! haha They are pretty butt ugly for sure.


OP, if you want a naked bike that doesn't have a gazillion hp and is easy to ride, get a Ducati Monster (one of the smaller ones like 796 or something). They are awesome and they sound badass!

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The Street Triple is great but super ugly. It looks like a dead bug.
You know what they say about opinions and assholes.

I prefer the Wall-E look personally, over some random-looking Gixer or Yamamoto.

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You know what they say about opinions and assholes.

I prefer the Wall-E look personally, over some random-looking Gixer or Yamamoto.
Opinions work both ways lol





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Lol...I can't decide if that's an insult on purpose towards Sanctuary who is a Triumph fanatic, by thinking that the Street Triple is a Honda, or if you really didn't know



A dead bug!! I like that. Never thought of it that way, but it's pretty spot on! haha They are pretty butt ugly for sure.


OP, if you want a naked bike that doesn't have a gazillion hp and is easy to ride, get a Ducati Monster (one of the smaller ones like 796 or something). They are awesome and they sound badass!
Yes my sentence structure can use work. I know that Triumph makes the striple. I was trying to say that I just don't see myself in a honda (at least the CBR series). The Striple panties was referring to how he got really offended right away. I don't have anything against the striple (it is a great bike) I only briefly rode my freinds. The issue is that it IS a triumph so if anything breaks it will be that much more $$ to fix.
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I didn't get my panties in a bunch, I merely stated if you are determined to get a Kawasaki you will do that...but eh whatever keyboard warrior...continue!

As a newish rider, I'd urge you to put brand preferences aside. Ride things that may even appear ugly and settle on a bike that makes sense to *YOU* (not others).

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I started with a 2013 Ninja 300. Out grew it fast. I picked up a 2007 Ninja 650 and it was fun and fairly comfortable to ride but after about a year I just felt I wanted something more sporty. So I picked up a 2004 ZX6R and I don't regret it one bit. I sold the 650. I have 0 issues riding the ZX6R for long times/distances. The 650 would hurt my wrist even though it had a more upright posture position. I am completely comfortable on the ZX6R. None of the normal sport bike rider complaints like back/wrist pain. I will be keeping the ZX6R for a long time.
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I started with a 2013 Ninja 300. Out grew it fast. I picked up a 2007 Ninja 650 and it was fun and fairly comfortable to ride but after about a year I just felt I wanted something more sporty. So I picked up a 2004 ZX6R and I don't regret it one bit. I sold the 650. I have 0 issues riding the ZX6R for long times/distances. The 650 would hurt my wrist even though it had a more upright posture position. I am completely comfortable on the ZX6R. None of the normal sport bike rider complaints like back/wrist pain. I will be keeping the ZX6R for a long time.
Yea I think im going the same route.. I might buy a new 2017 or find a used 2014-2015 for a few grand off. I really like the changes they made to all the 2017 models so far. Actually its not the same route at all. Im just going to go right for the 636. I know my limits and I will not being doing any stunts (im bad at them anyway)
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