Newish Rider looking for a bigger bike. - Page 4 - ZX6R Forum
 41Likes
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #46 of 81 Old 03-09-2017, 06:43 AM
MotoGP Champion
 
Schooley's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 4,897
This may not be the popular opinion, hell I don't completely agree with it myself because I have never ridden a liter bike and feel like they are overkill for the streets:

The ZX10R or any other liter will handle highway miles a lot better than a 600. If you are a fan of aftermarket exhausts imagine how loud and annoying a 600 will be at 8k RPMs doing 75 on the interstate vs. a 1000 at 4K RPMs.

Just something to consider, everyone is different and it is possible you survive swinging a leg over the 1000. I started on a 600 which is a big risk, and I am still here to tell the tale.

Good luck with your decision.
Schooley is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #47 of 81 Old 03-09-2017, 06:56 AM
Track Star
 
dazo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Las Vegas
Posts: 337

I Ride: 2012 RSV4 Factory
My first bike was the ER6n, which is the naked equivalent of the Ninja 650. I later moved into a Z1000, and while it "only" had 125 HP it had as much torque as 1000cc sport bikes, and peak torque showed up earlier in the revs than a liter sport bike.

I don't ride on the street anymore, and part of the reason I gave it up was from getting too many tickets on the Z1000. It was just way too easy to get up to illegal speeds. In the end, I had more fun on the 650 and if I were to ever get back into street riding again, I would be looking for something in that middleweight twins category again.

The 650 had really good off the line acceleration which made it fun to go from stop light to stop light, but it ran out of revs before I was about to get into speeding ticket territory. Cycle world claims it can do 0 - 60 in 3.5 seconds. Plenty of performance for street riding!

Last edited by dazo; 03-09-2017 at 07:00 AM.
dazo is offline  
post #48 of 81 Old 03-09-2017, 10:50 AM
MotoGP Champion
 
sbk1198's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Nebraska
Posts: 4,378

I Ride: '09 ZX6R
Quote:
Originally Posted by dazo View Post
My first bike was the ER6n, which is the naked equivalent of the Ninja 650. I later moved into a Z1000, and while it "only" had 125 HP it had as much torque as 1000cc sport bikes, and peak torque showed up earlier in the revs than a liter sport bike.

I don't ride on the street anymore, and part of the reason I gave it up was from getting too many tickets on the Z1000. It was just way too easy to get up to illegal speeds. In the end, I had more fun on the 650 and if I were to ever get back into street riding again, I would be looking for something in that middleweight twins category again.

The 650 had really good off the line acceleration which made it fun to go from stop light to stop light, but it ran out of revs before I was about to get into speeding ticket territory. Cycle world claims it can do 0 - 60 in 3.5 seconds. Plenty of performance for street riding!
Agreed. On the street I would never need or get anything that has more than about 75 hp or so.

2007 ZZR600 (sold)
2006 CBR600 (sold)
2010 1198 (parted out across North America)
2013 CBR500R (race bike)
2009 ZX6R (race bike)
2015 R3 (project bike and future race bike)

Sponsors: Vortex Racing, MSM, MTR Cycle

April 2016 and April 2017 6OTM winner!
sbk1198 is online now  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #49 of 81 Old 03-09-2017, 11:13 AM
Team Green
 
honestSquid's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: make believe track
Posts: 205

I Ride: ZX6R (abs)
Garage
Quote:
Originally Posted by VohrteFahrt View Post
Hello everyone,

I go by Vohrtefahrt or Vort for short. I am an eastern PA rider with a Ninja 300 looking for something bigger I am getting my hands on a nin650 to test ride but I was also looking at getting a 636(or Sex3Sex). I have looked at probably 10 different bikes from yamaha to suzuki, back to Kawi. There is just something about the Zx6r(636 specifically) that brings me right back. I decided to join this forum to see if there is an issue with 200+ mile rides comfort wise, IE butt pain, back pain, wrists?. I understand the seating position will be much more aggressive than my little 300 but I am thinking the powerband area is similar(although again much much much more power from the 636). Since the 300 doesn't really start to shine until about 8k RPM whereas the ninja 650 has a low-mid range curve. I have plenty of time to think about getting one (the new '17s look absolutely fantastic). I have had my fair share of new to me but many years on it (quads, dirts bikes, cars, etc). I am probably going to pick up a '15 or newer just because I don't want the unknown of previous riders, and money really isn't an issue at this point in time for me.(I am saving for a house though so that could change in the very near future).

Some background I have only been riding since august(rode until mid november) I have put 1300 miles on my bike. I have passed the Basic riding course and received my full M class license. I have full riding leathers and mid-shin boots.

I hope to give back as much as I receive from this community.

TLR New ninja 300 rider. Looking for an upgrade :grin: I has stuffs and things
Well, I bought a new 300, with the goal of moving up to 636, and man I Moved up and I love it. More than enough power on the street, handling and braking worlds better, and the last thing I notice was the power. The seating pos is not that bad really. I rode my friend Pany and that was much worse than mine. This 636 was built for the daily in mind so its a little less aggressive compared to other bikes in the same class.
Just pull the trigger man.
VohrteFahrt likes this.
honestSquid is offline  
post #50 of 81 Old 03-09-2017, 11:26 AM
World Superbike Racer
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: So. Cal.
Posts: 1,256
I think the reality is, if you are going to screw up and crash, it isn't going to happen because you cant handle the power. Yes a 1000 will get you there quicker than a 600 or a 300. If you have a solid head on your shoulders, you can keep it mellow. Most people that I see crashing on a liter bike are the ones that would crash on a 600. They are just fuck ups. The street can be a dangerous place but it usually isn't because the bike has too much power. It has more to do with the riding circumstances and other vehicles(cars) etc.
the prophet is offline  
post #51 of 81 Old 03-10-2017, 09:00 AM Thread Starter
Squid
 
VohrteFahrt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Eastern Pennsylvania
Posts: 87

I Ride: Ninja 300 (Traded) 2015 Zx6r 636 30th Anniversary Edition
Garage
Quote:
Originally Posted by honestSquid View Post
Well, I bought a new 300, with the goal of moving up to 636, and man I Moved up and I love it. More than enough power on the street, handling and braking worlds better, and the last thing I notice was the power. The seating pos is not that bad really. I rode my friend Pany and that was much worse than mine. This 636 was built for the daily in mind so its a little less aggressive compared to other bikes in the same class.
Just pull the trigger man.
That was exactly my intent. By a small one to learn on and get the basics (and cheaper to fix if I drop it due to clumsiness/beginner mistakes) then after I feel comfortable enough to upgrade to a 600. I will almost def be staying in the 600 range since the bike is not my main mode of transportation and is used for mostly weekend Joy rides. Don't get me wrong I love my 300 (i am actually putting a new tail light/ integrated signal on it within the next week or so). I just wanted to start my ascent to a larger bike. I shall be pulling the trigger within the next year. I am probably going to try to scoop a 2017 next winter when the 18's come out.
VohrteFahrt is offline  
post #52 of 81 Old 03-14-2017, 12:33 AM
World Superbike Racer
 
Sanctuary's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Wellington, New Zealand
Posts: 1,510

I Ride: 2013 ZX6R, 2013 Triumph Street Triple, 2018 Triumph Street Triple RS
Go dump money on some training and then decide what to do. Seriously take the 300 to a track day and see how fast you are...I wish people would invest as much in training as they do on "upgrades".
PowerGroove likes this.

A play on words, or words on play
Last chapter, verse in the final act
Words well scripted, each sentence choking
Inaudible gag, blanket which suffocates
As you eat another's words
Malnourished, you starve.
Sanctuary is offline  
post #53 of 81 Old 03-15-2017, 07:41 AM Thread Starter
Squid
 
VohrteFahrt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Eastern Pennsylvania
Posts: 87

I Ride: Ninja 300 (Traded) 2015 Zx6r 636 30th Anniversary Edition
Garage
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanctuary View Post
Go dump money on some training and then decide what to do. Seriously take the 300 to a track day and see how fast you are...I wish people would invest as much in training as they do on "upgrades".
I already have track day scheduled... the North East just got slammed with snow so my guess is it will be a month or 2 depending on how warm it gets until I can make it to the track.
Sanctuary likes this.
VohrteFahrt is offline  
post #54 of 81 Old 03-16-2017, 04:43 PM
Squid
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Atlanta Ga
Posts: 7

I Ride: 2015 ZX-6R
So here's my 2 cents.

I literally just did the same thing last week. I sold my 2013 300 for a 2015 new 636. I regret nothing lol.

Yes the bike is alittle more agressive but personally at 5' 10 I don't really have a issue with it. I actually am commuting on it in traffic for about a hour each way (30ish miles) and it handles it extremely well. It feels like the logical step up from the 300 as the weight is nearly the same and it just inspires confidence like the 300 did.

As for the riding highway thing. I run highway 316 here in Ga and I do it at like 5k rpms at 75 in 6th gear. And it still just pulls if you give it some throttle.

I wouldnt buy a ninja 650 personally. I would get the new Z650 or Z900 instead if you want the comfort aspect
N1njagoph3r is offline  
post #55 of 81 Old 03-16-2017, 06:00 PM
World Superbike Racer
 
Sanctuary's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Wellington, New Zealand
Posts: 1,510

I Ride: 2013 ZX6R, 2013 Triumph Street Triple, 2018 Triumph Street Triple RS
Quote:
Originally Posted by N1njagoph3r View Post
It feels like the logical step up from the 300 as the weight is nearly the same and it just inspires confidence like the 300 did.


174kg vs 192kg is significant. I know because I have had both. The biggest factor is the weight difference and how over the tank you are on a super-sport. I would not put the 300 in the same class, no way.

A play on words, or words on play
Last chapter, verse in the final act
Words well scripted, each sentence choking
Inaudible gag, blanket which suffocates
As you eat another's words
Malnourished, you starve.
Sanctuary is offline  
post #56 of 81 Old 03-17-2017, 07:55 AM
Squid
 
Sammy510's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Oakland, CA
Posts: 40

I Ride: 2012 zx6r
I commute in a 2012 zx6r everyday. Personally, i don't want to get off the bike once i get to work or back home. Right now, im commuting from Oakland to South San Francisco. But before that, i was riding from Oakland to Palo Alto: maybe under 40 miles away, but in treacherous traffic. I find that lane splitting fatigues you more than not having any traffic. And although ive never been on a 650, i think one would be able to maneuver better and split through traffic in a zx6r. I could be wrong.

It is an aggressive position, but it works for me. Im similar to your size. 5'10" 155.

And i would take Sanctuary's advice openly instead of saying he got offended when he clearly didnt. He was trying to help you. You are new and searching for advice, much like me. Alot of people on this forum know more than youll ever know. Instead of creating a show, just get your advice and be thankful like Marshawn Lynch.
Sanctuary likes this.
Sammy510 is offline  
post #57 of 81 Old 03-18-2017, 01:00 AM
World Superbike Racer
 
Sanctuary's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Wellington, New Zealand
Posts: 1,510

I Ride: 2013 ZX6R, 2013 Triumph Street Triple, 2018 Triumph Street Triple RS
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sammy510 View Post
I commute in a 2012 zx6r everyday. Personally, i don't want to get off the bike once i get to work or back home. Right now, im commuting from Oakland to South San Francisco. But before that, i was riding from Oakland to Palo Alto: maybe under 40 miles away, but in treacherous traffic. I find that lane splitting fatigues you more than not having any traffic. And although ive never been on a 650, i think one would be able to maneuver better and split through traffic in a zx6r. I could be wrong.
I found the old 650 heavy and slow to steer (my partner at the time had a 650L and my sister an ER6N). The weight is high in the bike too which makes it easy to drop. I'm hoping Kawasaki have fixed that with the new iteration. Looking at the stats, it's definitely lost weight. Again all of this is subjective because whilst one bike may seem great for a certain rider it may not suit another.

Here's a pic of my old pair. Really miss the ZX6R. And ironically I'm looking at another Ninja 300 to do some racing on...





And yes, I have a thing for white bikes...
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	ZX6-300.jpg
Views:	73
Size:	426.2 KB
ID:	59066   Click image for larger version

Name:	ZX6-300b.jpg
Views:	75
Size:	405.7 KB
ID:	59074  
Sammy510 likes this.

A play on words, or words on play
Last chapter, verse in the final act
Words well scripted, each sentence choking
Inaudible gag, blanket which suffocates
As you eat another's words
Malnourished, you starve.
Sanctuary is offline  
post #58 of 81 Old 03-19-2017, 03:30 PM
Superbike Champion
 
BrandonZX6r's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Indy
Posts: 944

I Ride: 06 ZX6r 636
Garage
I started on 600's a 250 or 300 would not have been ideal for my situation. Just respect what you have. The most confortable bike I have ever sat on was a 2015 ZX10R. I could damn near flat foot at factory ride height. Body posistion was awesome. All my riding buds ( our gang ) lol have liter bikes , the thing I can say is with a liter bike you do not have to shift all the time while city riding. That is a huge plus in my book. naked bikes suck unless you have a naked chic waiting at the end of your ride. Lol

Dude.....you're about to get roasted. You pour soul
BrandonZX6r is offline  
post #59 of 81 Old 03-22-2017, 07:37 PM Thread Starter
Squid
 
VohrteFahrt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Eastern Pennsylvania
Posts: 87

I Ride: Ninja 300 (Traded) 2015 Zx6r 636 30th Anniversary Edition
Garage
Thank you everyone, now I play the waiting for a deal game!
VohrteFahrt is offline  
post #60 of 81 Old 03-25-2017, 06:24 AM
Squid
 
SuicideDoor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Sactown, Cali
Posts: 41

I Ride: 2006 636
I started on a 2013 300, sold it for $3100 and got a 2006 636 for $2800 (with 4000 miles!)
My 300 was cool at the track except for the straights.
I have my first track day with the 636 in 2 weeks and I can't wait to see the difference
Indy likes this.
SuicideDoor is offline  
Reply

  ZX6R Forum > Lobby > New Users

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Can't Decide what bike to buy jayx The ZX6R 28 10-11-2016 06:39 PM
FS: 09 zx6r Track Bike Only 18 laps on track Trackmonkey Classifieds 30 06-22-2016 11:45 AM
New bike rider Xaide New Users 8 04-20-2014 08:09 AM
road legal 2005 kawasaki zx6r c1h stunt bike for sale LeehtZx6R United Kingdom 8 01-20-2014 12:01 PM
Beginner question TuscaniGTFL New Users 62 07-28-2013 06:49 AM

Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome