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post #1 of 81 Old 03-02-2017, 07:52 AM Thread Starter
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Newish Rider looking for a bigger bike.

Hello everyone,

I go by Vohrtefahrt or Vort for short. I am an eastern PA rider with a Ninja 300 looking for something bigger I am getting my hands on a nin650 to test ride but I was also looking at getting a 636(or Sex3Sex). I have looked at probably 10 different bikes from yamaha to suzuki, back to Kawi. There is just something about the Zx6r(636 specifically) that brings me right back. I decided to join this forum to see if there is an issue with 200+ mile rides comfort wise, IE butt pain, back pain, wrists?. I understand the seating position will be much more aggressive than my little 300 but I am thinking the powerband area is similar(although again much much much more power from the 636). Since the 300 doesn't really start to shine until about 8k RPM whereas the ninja 650 has a low-mid range curve. I have plenty of time to think about getting one (the new '17s look absolutely fantastic). I have had my fair share of new to me but many years on it (quads, dirts bikes, cars, etc). I am probably going to pick up a '15 or newer just because I don't want the unknown of previous riders, and money really isn't an issue at this point in time for me.(I am saving for a house though so that could change in the very near future).

Some background I have only been riding since august(rode until mid november) I have put 1300 miles on my bike. I have passed the Basic riding course and received my full M class license. I have full riding leathers and mid-shin boots.

I hope to give back as much as I receive from this community.

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post #2 of 81 Old 03-02-2017, 08:58 AM Thread Starter
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Welcome Voldemort!

Looks like you have a nice set up. The basic question is, what do plan on doing with the bike? Long distance? Track Days? Just local street riding?

If you like the riding position of your 300 and you're not doing many track days, the Ninja 650 is a good choice. If you want a 4 cylinder that is more street oriented the Honda CBR 650f is a good choice. Seriously consider ABS on your new bike as well.

If you are planning track days and short to medium street trips, there is probably nothing better than 636.


You are close to NJMP, which makes it easy to attend a good riding school.

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It is also good to know there a bunch of people riding at track days on 300's, so you can still learn a ton on your 300.
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Welcome Voldemort!

Looks like you have a nice set up. The basic question is, what do plan on doing with the bike? Long distance? Track Days? Just local street riding?

If you like the riding position of your 300 and you're not doing many track days, the Ninja 650 is a good choice. If you want a 4 cylinder that is more street oriented the Honda CBR 650f is a good choice. Seriously consider ABS on your new bike as well.

If you are planning track days and short to medium street trips, there is probably nothing better than 636.


You are close to NJMP, which makes it easy to attend a good riding school.

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If you plan to ride a bike at speed, get the training.




It is also good to know there a bunch of people riding at track days on 300's, so you can still learn a ton on your 300.
I plan on keeping the 300, I do want to do a track day. My main goal is 150-300 mile rides on weekends up around lake wallenpaupak and other routes in PA that are awesome with the occasional trip down the virginia. My one buddy I ride a lot with is going to let me ride his 650 to see if I like it. The only turn off I have is I hear a lot of complaints about the suspension on the newer models(the type im looking to get) whereas the 636 is superior. I know about using knee's/core to maintain form on the bike and to not lean on your wrists. What considered a short-medium trip? Thanks for the advice on other bikes but every time I go shopping I always always come back to the 636. I do not see myself on a honda CBR. I have ridden honda dirtbikes as a child to young adult from an 80 4stroke to a 250 2 stroke and their engines etc are fantastic. I am a green man through and through though and unless I can walk out with it (without replacing plastics) in a green color its not for me. I have considered the street triple, triumphs, ninja 650, cbr, R6, fz's. Unfortunately i do not have much seat time. Does NJMP have test bikes you can take out on the track after spending so much time(or renting them) at the track until they trust you enough?
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Does NJMP have test bikes you can take out on the track after spending so much time(or renting them) at the track until they trust you enough?


In a word, yes.



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Thanks I will have to check it out! Its still about a 2h ride there.
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A demo on a supersport is a good way to end up owning one.

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Thanks I will have to check it out! Its still about a 2h ride there.
Try to avoid riding to the track, unless someone will be there that can bring your bike back in case of mechanical issues or you have an off.

Rent a uhaul trailer or find a bud with a truck and offer him a case of beer.
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Try to avoid riding to the track, unless someone will be there that can bring your bike back in case of mechanical issues or you have an off.

Rent a uhaul trailer or find a bud with a truck and offer him a case of beer.
Oh we would be renting a trailer or something. I would not want to ride 2h... then do more track riding... then ride back. There is also the possibility of going down or having a mechanical issue occur. Thank you for the advice!
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I went 250R->ZX6R, then bought a 300 to replace the 250R for commuting and finally upgraded the ZX6R to a 636. The ZX6R is not a good bike for long rides. It is track-focused. A 650R is a good bike for touring. Personally, I'd wait for the new Z650 as that seems lighter than the 650R which was way to clunky/heavy for my liking (my Ex and sister had one and they're reliable but just boring). I dumped the 300 in favour of a Street Triple and have never looked back. Fantastic bike, amazing for touring and can tear up the track like a ZX6R. Really is a jack of all trades but if you're a Kawisnob, I can't teach you shit.

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Welcome,

I live in Western Pa. I take pretty long rides on mine and don't seem to have an issue. Last time I really had an issue was a ride from Pittsburgh to DC in a bad rain storm on my old R6. Couldn't walk to well after that for the rest of the day.

I prefer the super-sport bikes over the sport. However, I have a buddy who has a Ninja 650 and loves it. That's just no my style. Good luck in your search. Prices are going up as spring is coming fast.

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I have known those who can ride hundreds of miles on a super sport like the 636 with little or no issues and others who can't go more than 100 miles before they are hurting. For what it is worth I am 56 years old, six foot one and 182 pounds and can do 150 to 200 miles on my 636......but then I am ready to get off.

I also have a Ninja 1000 on which I can ride all day long for hundreds of miles and still attack the twisties with confidence. It is by far my favorite bike of the two. You might be surprised at how much fun you can have on a Ninja 650 and still do some touring in comfort.

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I went 250R->ZX6R, then bought a 300 to replace the 250R for commuting and finally upgraded the ZX6R to a 636. The ZX6R is not a good bike for long rides. It is track-focused. A 650R is a good bike for touring. Personally, I'd wait for the new Z650 as that seems lighter than the 650R which was way to clunky/heavy for my liking (my Ex and sister had one and they're reliable but just boring). I dumped the 300 in favour of a Street Triple and have never looked back. Fantastic bike, amazing for touring and can tear up the track like a ZX6R. Really is a jack of all trades but if you're a Kawisnob, I can't teach you shit.
Woah settle down there man. No need to get your Street triple panties in a bunch. I just don't like Honda, never said anything about being a Kawisnob,(note..this IS is ZX6R forum soo...) I do like my one buddy's Striple. I am going to be doing a lot of searching etc to see if I can meet up with people who would do a bike swap for a few miles to see what I like/dont like.

I would need to ride a naked bike, I am 5'7 ~148 lbs so any wind is going to push me around. I would need a windscreen if I were to get the z650(it does look sexy though!) I appreciate your advice and you don't have to bash what people like. That is just not a cool thing to do. We are all riders at the end of the day so lets just get along 'kay?
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