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post #16 of 26 Old 04-04-2017, 09:00 AM
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I have taken the msf class in the past when i got my M1. I definitely think i can benefit from a track class. That being said, im not sure the track is for me. I love the hell outta commuting year-round on my zx6r. I am definitely competetive, played sports my whole life. But not really racing-wise. More so in golf, haha.

To sum it up, i am going to look into taking at least some track classes so i can become a better rider. Anyone know any good ones in The Bay Area?
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I have taken the msf class in the past when i got my M1. I definitely think i can benefit from a track class. That being said, im not sure the track is for me. I love the hell outta commuting year-round on my zx6r. I am definitely competetive, played sports my whole life. But not really racing-wise. More so in golf, haha.

To sum it up, i am going to look into taking at least some track classes so i can become a better rider. Anyone know any good ones in The Bay Area?
I started riding by taking the MSF course also. I did my first track day about 5 months after first learning to ride a motorcycle.
I ended up taking the TrackXperience new rider course 4 times once I started doing track days. I most certainly gained a lot of confidence in my ability to judge corners and braking. To me the benefit comes from being able to repeat the same turns over and over again, trying different strategies in a controlled environment. Once you are back out in the chaos of street riding it helps to have these techniques come a bit more automatically. Understanding the relationship between corner speed, lean angle and what kind of inputs the bike can take at its current attitude was huge for me.

I know that SoCal may be a bit of a haul, but the TrackXperience New Rider School is free with the purchase of a track day and is a top notch introductory course.

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I started riding by taking the MSF course also. I did my first track day about 5 months after first learning to ride a motorcycle.
I ended up taking the TrackXperience new rider course 4 times once I started doing track days. I most certainly gained a lot of confidence in my ability to judge corners and braking. To me the benefit comes from being able to repeat the same turns over and over again, trying different strategies in a controlled environment. Once you are back out in the chaos of street riding it helps to have these techniques come a bit more automatically. Understanding the relationship between corner speed, lean angle and what kind of inputs the bike can take at its current attitude was huge for me.

I know that SoCal may be a bit of a haul, but the TrackXperience New Rider School is free with the purchase of a track day and is a top notch introductory course.

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Much appreciated. That sounds like a great experience. Your recommendation has me thinking about making a trip out of it. But, i will look into something closer and more practicle in the meantime.

I know that i cannot teach myself what i dont know. And although im riding everyday, i dont necessarily think im getting any better.
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Much appreciated. That sounds like a great experience. Your recommendation has me thinking about making a trip out of it. But, i will look into something closer and more practicle in the meantime.

I know that i cannot teach myself what i dont know. And although im riding everyday, i dont necessarily think im getting any better.
As they say, it's easy to ride for a year and repeat the same day of learning over and over.

One thing I like to do, is chose one thing that I want to improve on. Say, tipping in slightly later (a lot of street riders tip in too early, then they hit the inside of the turn and have to correct), or practicing braking in a shorter space (when safe to do so). Or exiting a turn by rolling the throttle on and centering BP instead of pushing on the bars to stand the bike up.

But you pick your thing, and you only work on making that thing better. Everything else can be done by rote. Then once you specifically decide, 'yes, I've made progress here, I'm happy with that technique, and it's happening more smoothly and with less effort' then you can chose a new thing to work on.

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No doubt about that ^ man. After watching twist of the wrist I noticed that my turn in points are always too early, even in my car. Pretty eye opening. Then after reading some of Pslo's posts I've realized that I'm using way way too much bar input both through the corner and on exit.

I rode to work the other day and I tried working on body position and quick smooth inputs to tip in and zero bar input to maintain my turn. Still using the bars to stand it back up but the roads are still really dirty and I'm not trying to do too much right now. There's so much to improve on though, it's wild. Can't wait to get on the track
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As they say, it's easy to ride for a year and repeat the same day of learning over and over.

One thing I like to do, is chose one thing that I want to improve on. Say, tipping in slightly later (a lot of street riders tip in too early, then they hit the inside of the turn and have to correct), or practicing braking in a shorter space (when safe to do so). Or exiting a turn by rolling the throttle on and centering BP instead of pushing on the bars to stand the bike up.

But you pick your thing, and you only work on making that thing better. Everything else can be done by rote. Then once you specifically decide, 'yes, I've made progress here, I'm happy with that technique, and it's happening more smoothly and with less effort' then you can chose a new thing to work on.
I should be doing this more. I made a point of doing this today after reading your response this morning. Feeling alot more accomplished tonight!

Commie...youve never gone to the track?
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I should be doing this more. I made a point of doing this today after reading your response this morning. Feeling alot more accomplished tonight!

Commie...youve never gone to the track?
No, never have. I mean, I went there for an OMRRA race day, but I was a spectator.

But, after comments by PSlo, I now know what it feels like to exit a turn using body position and throttle only. Instead of using bar input to stand up, I move back to the center of the seat, moving my center of gravity inline with the bike, and I roll the throttle on, and this causes the bike to go down the road where I want to go, all without wrenching the bars straight.

I ride the same roads home from work every day, so I get a little bit of 'practice' in terms of knowing what a turn feels like, what to expect, etc.

When I ride out on the back roads, I am usually pretty cautious. I lost it on gravel once so I'm a little paranoid about hitting gravel in a turn again. Only after a sighting lap am I comfortable enough to wring it out.

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Hey guys. I'm currently coming over from a Honda vtx 1300 I just sold a couple weeks ago. I got myself a 01 ninja zx6r. I'm pretty excited to see the difference from cruiser to sport bike and am looking forward to see what this bike can do!


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Welcome to the group, Ive been thinking about changing to a sport from a Vtx 1300 also. How does it compare in power?
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Welcome to the group, Ive been thinking about changing to a sport from a Vtx 1300 also. How does it compare in power?


The power is astonishing on the Ninja. The vtx had a lot of torque, where all of that torque from the Honda goes toward flat out acceleration on the ninja. Also the throttle on the vtx is fairly forgiving where on the ninja it is VERY touchy. Especially if you've got it open quite a bit already. It's also almost half the size so it's easier to turn, but the riding position takes some time to get used to. You're "hunched" over the gas tank. I'd say be careful and think about it because they are definitely more dangerous.


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