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The DRC is a dot race tire right? I'm not going that fast yet, but I'll def look into it. No warmers need either right? Sounds like that would be a nice step after the Q2s.
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The DRC is a dot race tire right? I'm not going that fast yet, but I'll def look into it. No warmers need either right? Sounds like that would be a nice step after the Q2s.
DRC is a "hypersport" like tire, its on the level that the q2 is.. the race tires are the diablo supercorsa & diablo superbike

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Oh got it... I'll do some research. I do want to try out a 180/60 or 190/60 though at some point.
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I've ordered today a set of the new Michelin Power SuperSport, they will be in the shop on 15-th of March, but i'm still thinking whether i should pick up 180/55 or 190/50. Can anyone with more experience let me know what's the cons/pros on the size?
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Ran Supercorsa SC2 last year and loved them but $400+ shipped for a set. I found a great deal on BT-003 pros. TWO rears and one front for $398 shipped from viets-performance.

Was going to go the D209front/D211rear special from racetire services for $317 shipped but can't pass up trying the 003 for the price.
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So how good is the grip on those Q2's on damp/wet street roads? I get mad grip out of my Michelin Pilot's.
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Tires and tire maintenance during the track day/race day are the biggest contributors for a crash. Once you've crashed (hopefully unhurt), you get to blow more $ on track plastic, frames sliders, tank damage, helmet, suit, levers, rear sets, etc.

Best advice for max fun and min $. DON'T SKIMP ON TIRES!!!!!! Or anything associated with tires.

Get some tire warmers...period. (There's a reason every moderately serious race team has them)

Also, go with race slicks. They are stickier and cheaper. (Did he say cheaper.). Yes, cheaper. Every track will wear more rubber on 1 side of tire more than the other depending if it clockwise or counter clockwise. A DOT cannot be "flipped". A slick can be flipped and will therefore get more laps before getting clapped out. They are much higher quality in grip, preventing $ spent on fixing tanks, leather suits, etc.

Dunlops are a very good race tire. Very good grip, last a long time (on a 600cc). (1000cc=more motor, go thru tires faster) also, good grip in heat. Plus, they offer contingency money for podiums.

The Michelin Power Ones are a very good tire also. But, no contingency.

Tried to get Bridgestones to work for me because they also offer contingency. Didn't have the same level of confidence at lean angle as Michelin/Dunlop. The BT increased lap time by 2 seconds/lap. I changed the geo of bike several times to try to increase grip and reduce times...didn't work out for me.

Also important aspect that new riders don't think about, but should is tire pressures. Get optimum tire pressure setting from dealer and check them religiously the 1st half of the day. Mornings are cold and track temp is cold. The track surface sucks the heat out of the tire and changes the pressure in the tire. The front tire carcass must flex and spread out when entering a turn. If pressure is too high, it cannot flex and will lose grip, causing a crash. Right after you return to pit after you 1st 4 sessions of the day, check your tire pressures front and rear. The more aggressive you are riding, the hotter the tire gets and increases the pressure in the tire. If you don't reset the pressure to original recommended setting, the pressure will build in the tire. It will not flex and you will go down.

Word to the wise about tire warmers. When listening to MOTOGP riders, they sometimes lament that they are struggling to get heat into the tire for max grip. Slicks require more heat than DOTs. BUY tire warmers to help get heat into the tires. Put tire warmers on tires first thing after arriving at track. It takes about 30 mins on tire warmers to get tires to max temp on the warmers. Then, they tires are almost up to temp. (A cold morning WITH warmers and its not that hard to go out too fast and wind up on your arse 1st lap, 1st session...track day ruined).

A high quality tire (at the recommended pressure) will save you $ in the long run by having far less crashes. Show them tires a little luv and they will repay you with smiles and make you look like you know what you're doing.

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Tires and tire maintenance during the track day/race day are the biggest contributors for a crash. Once you've crashed (hopefully unhurt), you get to blow more $ on track plastic, frames sliders, tank damage, helmet, suit, levers, rear sets, etc.

Best advice for max fun and min $. DON'T SKIMP ON TIRES!!!!!! Or anything associated with tires.

Get some tire warmers...period. (There's a reason every moderately serious race team has them)

Also, go with race slicks. They are stickier and cheaper. (Did he say cheaper.). Yes, cheaper. Every track will wear more rubber on 1 side of tire more than the other depending if it clockwise or counter clockwise. A DOT cannot be "flipped". A slick can be flipped and will therefore get more laps before getting clapped out. They are much higher quality in grip, preventing $ spent on fixing tanks, leather suits, etc.

Dunlops are a very good race tire. Very good grip, last a long time (on a 600cc). (1000cc=more motor, go thru tires faster) also, good grip in heat. Plus, they offer contingency money for podiums.

The Michelin Power Ones are a very good tire also. But, no contingency.

Tried to get Bridgestones to work for me because they also offer contingency. Didn't have the same level of confidence at lean angle as Michelin/Dunlop. The BT increased lap time by 2 seconds/lap. I changed the geo of bike several times to try to increase grip and reduce times...didn't work out for me.

Also important aspect that new riders don't think about, but should is tire pressures. Get optimum tire pressure setting from dealer and check them religiously the 1st half of the day. Mornings are cold and track temp is cold. The track surface sucks the heat out of the tire and changes the pressure in the tire. The front tire carcass must flex and spread out when entering a turn. If pressure is too high, it cannot flex and will lose grip, causing a crash. Right after you return to pit after you 1st 4 sessions of the day, check your tire pressures front and rear. The more aggressive you are riding, the hotter the tire gets and increases the pressure in the tire. If you don't reset the pressure to original recommended setting, the pressure will build in the tire. It will not flex and you will go down.

Word to the wise about tire warmers. When listening to MOTOGP riders, they sometimes lament that they are struggling to get heat into the tire for max grip. Slicks require more heat than DOTs. BUY tire warmers to help get heat into the tires. Put tire warmers on tires first thing after arriving at track. It takes about 30 mins on tire warmers to get tires to max temp on the warmers. Then, they tires are almost up to temp. (A cold morning WITH warmers and its not that hard to go out too fast and wind up on your arse 1st lap, 1st session...track day ruined).

A high quality tire (at the recommended pressure) will save you $ in the long run by having far less crashes. Show them tires a little luv and they will repay you with smiles and make you look like you know what you're doing.

Happy crack days
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made my order today, 1 front & two rears of the sc1 front/ sc2 rear of the 180/60 & the same combo with slicks

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All that stuff makes sense, but what about the guys who aren't fast enough to keep the heat in the tires?
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All that stuff makes sense, but what about the guys who aren't fast enough to keep the heat in the tires?
Q2's or diablo Rosso Corsa's
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The tips for tires and tire maintenance are the basics to riding around a track. I wish someone told me these things when I started out. But, unfortunately for me, I learned much of it the hard way...crashing. After a season or so, I tried to look at the causes of my crashes and determine what was a common denominator for most of the crashes (a scientific approach). After analyzing the data, I determined that 80-90% of the crashes were attributable to tires and tire maintenance. In away, I was embarrassed, because it seemed like a stupid and avoidable mistake.

Once I began being a "nazi" about checking tire pressures and tire condition, I began to have much fewer crashes and confidence grew.

However, I also bought a book, "Performance Riding Techniques" by Andy Ibbot. I read the book and the important chapters of Braking technique, racing lines, acceleration 3-4 times, took notes, compared MOTOGP analysis to the material in the book. Applied the new info to change my riding technique to what the Gods of MOTOGP do regularly.

Am I MOTOGP material? No, they are on a far different level. However, I am getting podiums and contingency in club racing.

Like anything worthwhile, it takes effort, practice, willingness to listen, learn, and change.
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^ I agree w/ you 100%, I was just asking about options for the slower people lol. I've talked w/ jfuggint on here already and I'm on Q2s and want to try the DRCs next until I can move fast enough for DOT/slicks. So just curious to see what your thoughts were. What tires were you on when you were experiencing more crashes?
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^ I agree w/ you 100%, I was just asking about options for the slower people lol. I've talked w/ jfuggint on here already and I'm on Q2s and want to try the DRCs next until I can move fast enough for DOT/slicks. So just curious to see what your thoughts were. What tires were you on when you were experiencing more crashes?
Take your time getting use to the DRC's They have a way differnt feel than the Q2's
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