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That swapping stickers scam is a pig thing to do, I hope all 4 original participants and their friends got banned from the track.
They have been banned from Let's Ride Trackdays events... and the owner has sent their names to the other organizations in the Southern California region letting them know about this. I doubt they'll have many track opportunities for a while.
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They have been banned from Let's Ride Trackdays events... and the owner has sent their names to the other organizations in the Southern California region letting them know about this. I doubt they'll have many track opportunities for a while.
Very happy to hear this. People who have no respect for the rules seriously piss me off. If you want to go hurt yourself, then by all means have at it, but don't put anyone else in danger because of your stupidity.

My buddy was out there (A group, ZX10R) and said he had a great time. I will be there the 28th for my first track day!
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Sure I read mirrors off with my outfit but I've seen vids of their sessions with mirrors on
Red, I have done quite a few track days with no limits, great company by the way, and I am pretty sure its no mirrors. I definitely do not remember seeing any mirrors but I could be mistaken.
To be honest I would recommend taking them off or taping them up, as well as taping up your lights and speedo. Simple reasons, as PG has said, they are unwanted distractions. The road rider in you will keep looking in the mirrors and down at your speedo, as much as you will tell yourself you wont, trust me you will. If you cant see out of your mirrors or what speed you doing you will be more relaxed and concentrating on the track in front of you, which is the important thing. Only worry about what is in front of you, those who want to pass will make the choice where to do it, its not your place to get out of their way.
The lights thing is just good track etiquette, for me there is nothing worse than someone with their brake lights visible. It puts me off my own braking markers as road instinct kicks in and tells you if the guy in front is braking then you should, even though I know I can brake a good bit further on.
Hope you don't mind me putting my tuppence worth in here, ultimately you want to have a smooth relaxed fun day, these things will help that to happen.

Which circuit are you attending?

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What a bunch of dicks! hopefully you don't see them around anytime soon! Good writeup PG, I do have a quick question though.

Maybe it is just different for different orgs, but i was under the impression that NO one, including CRs could stop on the track if there was an accident? The orgs on the east coast dictate that everyone has to be off the track so they can roll medical/ambulance. It would be up to the corner workers to tend to the fallen rider. Even a stopped bike on the track could probably cause some riders to target fixate and run right into the bike.
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I remember my first track day. I did a bit of looking back. Only after I ran a guy off the track though. I was working my way to the outside of the track(far left) to set up for the next right hand turn. It was no sudden jerk to the outside or anything like that. I felt bad. That guy tried to beat me to the corner instead of slowing down. He forced himself off the track in other words. Sessions later is when I started looking behind me so I didn't do that again.

A control rider told me to stop looking back. I told him why I was doing that. He told me it was not my fault, that the person behind is in control of not hitting the person in front. I guess that is why that guy didn't come to my pits to question. The control rider found that guy and apologized for me, told him I felt bad. He kept it up, and he told the control rider it was all his fault.

I was trying to be a gentleman and not crash nobody else and let faster riders go on. Looking behind me only screwed my lines up. Faster riders know the lines, and know how "most" riders will flow through them. I was told "there is nothing gentlemanly about letting somebody pass. Stay focused on what is in front of you, and your lines will be more predictable to other riders."

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Very happy to hear this. People who have no respect for the rules seriously piss me off. If you want to go hurt yourself, then by all means have at it, but don't put anyone else in danger because of your stupidity.

My buddy was out there (A group, ZX10R) and said he had a great time. I will be there the 28th for my first track day!
Black one? I remember seeing him I think. Right on!

I won't be out there on the 28th.. I have to work Saturdays. But I'll be there in October. It's a great organization and a really fun track! Use the coaches to your advantage when learning the lines... It'll help a lot just getting an idea of the lines of the track.

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What a bunch of dicks! hopefully you don't see them around anytime soon! Good writeup PG, I do have a quick question though.

Maybe it is just different for different orgs, but i was under the impression that NO one, including CRs could stop on the track if there was an accident? The orgs on the east coast dictate that everyone has to be off the track so they can roll medical/ambulance. It would be up to the corner workers to tend to the fallen rider. Even a stopped bike on the track could probably cause some riders to target fixate and run right into the bike.
You are correct.... to a point...

As a control rider my job is to ensure safety... so my bike wasn't in a spot that it could have been in someone's way... also... had I tried parking in the dirt like I did at first... she'd have laid down on its side... kickstand went into the dirt 3 inches so I had to pull onto pavement. Also.... I was right next to a corner worker waving the big ass yellow flag... and I was slowing people down as they came into the turn as well... (wacky waving incredible arm flailing tube man style) it was very controlled. Now that I think of it... it went pretty flawlessly after the crash.

You're right though that NO ONE should be stopping on the track.... however in these instances it can be a judgement call for the control rider. I had a guy laying on the ground hurt and possible badly... time was critical and I was pretty much out of the way and out of the racing line.

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I never show off for cameras on TD's

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10201021091147149

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I can echo everything said here. I've had to deal with people looking back before and it's almost caused me to wreck from someone looking back as well.
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https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10201021091147149

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I can echo everything said here. I've had to deal with people looking back before and it's almost caused me to wreck from someone looking back as well.
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Glad the guy on the R1 was not hurt badly. To be honest, I generally try to avoid being around guys like that on the track. I'll pick up pretty quick if they are a danger or not and then avoid them. I know once he was in the middle of them the R1 rider was screwed and he couldn't tell he was about to hit from behind.

However I would have pitted out to get away from them and rejoined later in the lap. Just pull into hot pit, wait for them to get about a half lap ahead and then rejoin. I leave it to the control riders and corner workers to police the morons. I would usually let a control rider who was in the hot pit know or a flag/corner worker if they are close to hot pit. Otherwise I'd let someone know after my session. You have to be responsible for your own safety too. Personal responsibility also extends to not riding with them.

Don't jump on me thinking I'm blaming the R1 rider. In no way am I saying he was at fault. What I'm saying is for folks doing track days, if you see someone you think is unsafe, be responsible for yourself and DON'T RIDE WITH THEM. I've seen plenty of people who are unwilling to just get off the track and avoid these guys.

I've been with entire track day groups that I would never ride with again. I now know that most of the folks they attract are not safe. Just like MOM pointed out, there was a red flag in almost every session. It isn't any fun and it cuts down a lot on the track time your paying for. So, I won't ride with that group again. Other groups I love riding with. Great people and almost never a red flag.
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I should have read this here, Damn facebook messing up all the paragraphs
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Can't see what you linked...
dang. must be set to private. this probably wont work either then, but worth a shot
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Good write up and reminder PG. It's all about having fun and learning in a safe enviroment. Shame some ass hat wanna bees had to spoil some expensive track time. I've seen alot of bikes on the track and wonder how they passed tech. Sure there's alot of people and bikes to attend to. Don't worry about being That Guy who says something to the organizer or a CR. If it's a safety concern chances are your not the only one who has brought it up.
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Black one? I remember seeing him I think. Right on!

I won't be out there on the 28th.. I have to work Saturdays. But I'll be there in October. It's a great organization and a really fun track! Use the coaches to your advantage when learning the lines... It'll help a lot just getting an idea of the lines of the track.


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Yep! Good friend. Good rider. I ride Palomar Mt with him all the time.

Dang, I'll just have to come again in October to meet you

Thanks! I will. I believe it's going to be CCW on the 28th.
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It's too bad that the kind of people that really need to read that story will never see it. Good stuff PG!

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