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Do you have any links by chance? I've been meaning to ask about this, since I know nothing about ZX6R geometry and suspension setup. I figured I should do a solid day on the bike first and see how it feels as is now, but doesn't hurt to get a head start on it.
The only thing i can help you with is a bit about geometry. Do not raise the fork more then 5-6mm in the triple clamps. Aim for the middle or further rear with the rear axle. The bike is unstable as it is, a shorter wheelbase or lower front will make the bike a real challenge.
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Do you have any links by chance? I've been meaning to ask about this, since I know nothing about ZX6R geometry and suspension setup. I figured I should do a solid day on the bike first and see how it feels as is now, but doesn't hurt to get a head start on it.
Seriously, he needs all the help he can get. He has a hard enough time keeping up with my stock bike. Only two days left, I have to get this trash talking out while I can.
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I had Lenny Albin (with K-Tech at the time) do laser geometry on my 13 and the front forks were pushed down 6.8mm from top of OEM fork tube to top of tripletree.

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The only thing i can help you with is a bit about geometry. Do not raise the fork more then 5-6mm in the triple clamps. Aim for the middle or further rear with the rear axle. The bike is unstable as it is, a shorter wheelbase or lower front will make the bike a real challenge.
The previous owner told me that he raised the rear, but didn't say how much. And after looking at the bike a bit, I can't even figure out how to adjust the rear ride height if needed What am I missing? My Ducati had a ride height adjuster connecting the swing arm to the shock link. All you had to do is turn it one way to raise, or the other way to lower. How do you do it on the ZX6R? And what's the standard for measuring it and what's a good range for baseline? (of course tire diameter will change that).

I also know a local guy who's very fast on his '09 and though he hasn't given me actual numbers for anything, he did tell me that he set it up with a raised rear and that solved the commonly known chatter issues when trail-braking, but he said he has some spacers in the forks...?? I don't think I'm fast enough to see any chatter issues regardless, but I'm just trying to learn more about this bike. I knew my previous bike pretty much inside and out especially when it came to geometry. I know each bike is different in setup, like what works and what doesn't, so I'm trying to get a better idea for what I should do on this. I'm not too worried because I "assume" (key word there), that the bike is set up fairly well already since it was a CMRA race bike and owned by a guy of similar weight as me also, but I'd still like to know any tips so I can mess around with it and find what works best for me throughout the season as I get more used to it.

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Here is what I got so far. Raise the front end or raise the back end or drop the front end or drop the rear end. Pay someone to do your suspension or do it yourself but either way make sure you record values and changes. In the end, it will be what works best for you and there is no one way to do it. Did I miss anything?
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Do you have any links by chance? I've been meaning to ask about this, since I know nothing about ZX6R geometry and suspension setup. I figured I should do a solid day on the bike first and see how it feels as is now, but doesn't hurt to get a head start on it.
I need to work on my technique most of all but this sure is some interesting reading.

Chassis Geometry 101, and why using the rear brake on the racetrack can be ok.
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Here is what I got so far. Raise the front end or raise the back end or drop the front end or drop the rear end. Pay someone to do your suspension or do it yourself but either way make sure you record values and changes. In the end, it will be what works best for you and there is no one way to do it. Did I miss anything?
If you end up raising the shock on these bikes while lowering the front, can I have your leftover parts?
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The previous owner told me that he raised the rear, but didn't say how much. And after looking at the bike a bit, I can't even figure out how to adjust the rear ride height if needed What am I missing? My Ducati had a ride height adjuster connecting the swing arm to the shock link. All you had to do is turn it one way to raise, or the other way to lower. How do you do it on the ZX6R? And what's the standard for measuring it and what's a good range for baseline? (of course tire diameter will change that).

I also know a local guy who's very fast on his '09 and though he hasn't given me actual numbers for anything, he did tell me that he set it up with a raised rear and that solved the commonly known chatter issues when trail-braking, but he said he has some spacers in the forks...?? I don't think I'm fast enough to see any chatter issues regardless, but I'm just trying to learn more about this bike. I knew my previous bike pretty much inside and out especially when it came to geometry. I know each bike is different in setup, like what works and what doesn't, so I'm trying to get a better idea for what I should do on this. I'm not too worried because I "assume" (key word there), that the bike is set up fairly well already since it was a CMRA race bike and owned by a guy of similar weight as me also, but I'd still like to know any tips so I can mess around with it and find what works best for me throughout the season as I get more used to it.
Look the dude's results up and that ought to tell you how well set up it was
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So far, I haven't seen the OP confirm exactly what model/yr he's trying to get info on.
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I need to work on my technique most of all but this sure is some interesting reading.

Chassis Geometry 101, and why using the rear brake on the racetrack can be ok.
I wouldn't trust that. The guy that wrote it is an idiot.
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If you end up raising the shock on these bikes while lowering the front, can I have your leftover parts?
I think he's just trolling now...

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Look the dude's results up and that ought to tell you how well set up it was
Lol...technically that doesn't matter much. He was a novice racer, I know that much. But I've seen slow people on very well set up bikes because they have someone else do all the work, and I believe this was one of those cases, because he guy didn't seem to know a whole lot about it and he mentioned he had someone tune it and do all the suspension work.

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I think he's just trolling now...
That is why I used OR. Basically I was just saying if you go back and reread the threads, there are different ways of doing it and while one setup works for one person on their bike with thier components, it may not work for you. I didn't find the magic bullet but maybe I read them differently.
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I need to work on my technique most of all but this sure is some interesting reading.

Chassis Geometry 101, and why using the rear brake on the racetrack can be ok.
It's a good read for sure, but still doesn't tell me any numbers. I need numbers, specific for '09-'12 ZX6R's Surely someone here has enough experience with those bikes and has some data or notes about what worked for them and what didn't.

Farrell Performance never emailed me back unfortunately...maybe they don't want to give out their secrets

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