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!st time track, 600 or 1000?

hi, so my brother who is a experienced rider and fairly skilled for not having any track time, is going to go to the track on his daily ridden 07 R1. i told him you 1st should never mix a track bike and a street bike together and also is it ever ok to start off with a 1000? we're both pretty good riders, carving up the canyons on the weekends but i don't know if that adds up to track days? am i the only one who thinks it's not the smartest move to start at the track on a 1000?
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1k's are great for track.
He should learn the track first, then work on whatever areas he needs to improve.
After he's done these things, he can worry about actually USING his superior displacement.
There's nothing wrong with a bike doing double duty either.
Most guys/ladies start out like this before getting a dedicated track bike.
Some never go dedicated.
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ok glad to hear. we both came from racing motocross, where you definitely don't want to start on a 450. so i wasn't sure if he was gonna end up getting himself hurt trying to handle a 1000.
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The liter bike is only faster if you twist the throttle to the stop.
Exercise some restraint and it'll be fine.

Double duty is fine too as long as one understands the risks.

Stupid people say stupid things on the internet, so be wary of who those people are. If you solicit advice on the internet, just keep in mind 99% of what you'll receive is not based on fact or science-and likely atleast 95% of it is based on bullshit and bravado regurgitated from some other schlub who also did not experience any of what they claim and are also full of shit. If you don't like my bluntness- too bad. I am not here to please you, so move along, your approval is not desired nor is it needed. So before opening your pie hole and adding more stupidity, perhaps sit back, listen, absorb and learn something. You know that saying, it is better to remain silent and thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt!
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Know your track, know your ride and ride within your limits. Any ride can be capable and make an enjoyable day at the track. Once you are addicted to the track scene, a track only ride will be in the works shortly thereafter. Ride what ya got and enjoy.

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Oh yeah....tires.
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Any will do just fine, no slicks needed.

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My first track bike was a R1 and it served me well for two years on the track.

You told your brother alot of nonsense because I rode that bike on the street and on the track all that time and I did fine, I have to ask where do you get your info from?

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One of the main reasons you shouldn't mix your road bike with track is because your road bike isn't covered by insurance if you were to have a slide…but if you're willing to take the risk, it should be fine.

If your bro is use to the R1 on the road, no reason he won't be able to handle it at the track.

For my first time on track, I used my Brutale 910S road bike, and was a little cautious because of this.

After that first time though, I started looking for a track bike that week. I wanted a dedicated trackie, and did not want to worry about my bike going for a slide and wanted to push closer to my limits.

One of the best decisions for me! I love the track more than the roads and go regularly.

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If he was going to buy a 2nd bike for track...

Option1: Go with any 600 that isn't too brand new (pricy parts and purchase price). 600s turn faster but require more skill since they lack in power to make up for a screwed up corner on by cranking it up the next straightaway.

Option2: buy EXACT same generation of his R1 for track so he will always have parts for either bike, depending on which way (track/street) he wants to concentrate more on in the future.

Up here we say a liter bike is the lazy man's bike cuz u can get away with less shifts, having more power on the tap in low range than a 600 would have in mid range.
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Up here we say a liter bike is the lazy man's bike cuz u can get away with less shifts, having more power on the tap in low range than a 600 would have in mid range.
Up there, you all say that Drake is a gangster as well. Lol
Truthfully, it actually takes more effort to hustle a 1k around track @ speed, than it does to hustle a 6 @ the same or a comparable velocity. Less shifting, but more muscle is required. I've heard that the new 10r & the RSV are featherweights. My buddy calls them the most powerful 600's ever. I haven't done any laps or spirited street rides on either, so I'll have to take his word for now.

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One of the main reasons you shouldn't mix your road bike with track is because your road bike isn't covered by insurance if you were to have a slide…but if you're willing to take the risk, it should be fine.
Most insurances will cover your bike on the track as long as you are not racing. With that said, I bought a track bike.
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Option1: Go with any 600 that isn't too brand new (pricy parts and purchase price). 600s turn faster but require more skill since they lack in power to make up for a screwed up corner on by cranking it up the next straightaway.

Option2: buy EXACT same generation of his R1 for track so he will always have parts for either bike, depending on which way (track/street) he wants to concentrate more on in the future.
indeed, I can swap parts from the 6RR to the 10R, vise versa as well

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For the first few times, I don't think it matters. From my own observations it kinda goes down two paths once you are hooked. First group just wants to get out on track and ride. Honestly, doesn't matter what you ride at that point. Whatever gives you the biggest boner.

Second group actually wants to get fast/build skill. They almost always end up with a 600 or even smaller. I know I've gone down in size and power on each successive track/racebike I've owned and gone faster each time I've "downgraded".
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ok glad to hear. we both came from racing motocross, where you definitely don't want to start on a 450. so i wasn't sure if he was gonna end up getting himself hurt trying to handle a 1000.
It's pretty much the same reasons for the the track as motocross. Sure if you restrain your right writst all will be fine. But one mental lapse and the 1000 can get you into a lot of trouble much quicker than a 600. I go so far as saying an SV650 or other lightweight bike is even better than a 600 to start on. It's not wrong or bad to start on bigger bike, but all other things being equal, a new rider on the track will become a better rider much quicker on a lightweight bike.

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