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View Poll Results: Do you still use LocTite even if you have safety wired the bolt?
Yes 3 17.65%
No 9 52.94%
Depends on what the bolt is securing 5 29.41%
I don't use safety wire 0 0%
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post #16 of 28 Old 12-15-2014, 12:01 AM
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Even when lock wire is in use ?
Well I guess if your using the wire it should be fine
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i dont loctite caliper bolts or axles, but I loctite pretty much everything else that I can. Especially on rear sets.

Safety wire should be considered a reactive measure. It doesn't mean you still should loctite the things you would normally loctite or properly torque your bolts.
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Yeah I totally read the service manual wrong, it's actually the caliper assembly bolts not mounting bolts that require loctite.
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Being in the Navy and working on F-18's, if you safety wire it, there's no need for loctite. If its good enough to go 1,190 mph in the air, its good enough to 140 mph on the ground.

Having said that, you guys are most likely a hell of a lot better at applying safety wire properly then I am. I guess it's time to figure it out.
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Having said that, you guys are most likely a hell of a lot better at applying safety wire properly then I am. I guess it's time to figure it out.
It's very easy to do. I watched and learned from a couple of youtube videos.

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Just for reference... AMA Pro Racing and CCS only require three items to be wired.

Oil fill, Oil drain, Oil Filter.

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LOL, no. Very, very wrong. You need to check your information.

In the interest of heading off some really bad misinformation:

19.4 Safety wire used must have a minimum diameter of 0.025
inches.

19.6 All oil drain plugs and any plugs or caps from which oil,
water, or gas could drain must be safety wired.

19.8 Oil filler caps and inspection covers must be secured with
safety wire. Any other caps, plugs and fittings on any
system containing a fluid must be secured. This includes
fuel hoses and water hoses.

19.11 Fork drain plugs must be taped or secured with a safety
wire.

19.15 All brake stay bolts and caliper mounting bolts must be
lock wired.

19.16 Axles must be secured by lock wiring both the axle and
the nut, or by a cotter pin through both the axle and the
nut. Axle caps securing the front axle to the fork must be
lock wired.

19.17 Exhaust systems must be securely mounted. The outer
header nuts must be lock wired. All mounts and brackets
must be wired and where possible, there should be a
second means of securing the pipes. The baffles must be
secured by a lock wire. Four cylinder inline machines
need only lock wire the two outer exhaust pipes.

19.24.6 A GOOD RULE OF THUMB * SAFETY WIRE
ANYTHING YOU WOULD NOT WANT TO
COME LOOSE AT SPEED. See diagram at
19.25.9



There is also an addendum that I can't find at the moment that states all cameras must be tethered with a safety wire lanyard.


Now, to the OP. I safety wire everything that is required by rules and everything else gets loctite. I do not do both.

I learned my lesson a long time ago, I buy the giant bottles of Loctite :-p

As for 'figuring it out', if you have the proper tool it should be a no-branier.


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I should have elaborated on my post more. I don't loctite any bolt REQUIRED to be safety wired by CMRA. Caliper, axles, pinch bolts, oil drain, and coolant drain are on that list.

But there are a few other bolts that I loctite and safety wire. Rear sets and exhaust are on that list.

So to your answer your question, 'it depends on the bolt.' lol
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LOL, no. Very, very wrong. You need to check your information.

In the interest of heading off some really bad misinformation:

19.4 Safety wire used must have a minimum diameter of 0.025
inches.

19.6 All oil drain plugs and any plugs or caps from which oil,
water, or gas could drain must be safety wired.

19.8 Oil filler caps and inspection covers must be secured with
safety wire. Any other caps, plugs and fittings on any
system containing a fluid must be secured. This includes
fuel hoses and water hoses.

19.11 Fork drain plugs must be taped or secured with a safety
wire.

19.15 All brake stay bolts and caliper mounting bolts must be
lock wired.

19.16 Axles must be secured by lock wiring both the axle and
the nut, or by a cotter pin through both the axle and the
nut. Axle caps securing the front axle to the fork must be
lock wired.

19.17 Exhaust systems must be securely mounted. The outer
header nuts must be lock wired. All mounts and brackets
must be wired and where possible, there should be a
second means of securing the pipes. The baffles must be
secured by a lock wire. Four cylinder inline machines
need only lock wire the two outer exhaust pipes.

19.24.6 A GOOD RULE OF THUMB * SAFETY WIRE
ANYTHING YOU WOULD NOT WANT TO
COME LOOSE AT SPEED. See diagram at
19.25.9



There is also an addendum that I can't find at the moment that states all cameras must be tethered with a safety wire lanyard.


Now, to the OP. I safety wire everything that is required by rules and everything else gets loctite. I do not do both.

I learned my lesson a long time ago, I buy the giant bottles of Loctite :-p

As for 'figuring it out', if you have the proper tool it should be a no-branier.


Yeah I hear you, I'm okay at doing it and have the pliers, what I meant by doing it right is getting it real tight so that it actually puts pressure clockwise on the bolt so there is no wiggle room even if the bolt tried to come loose it won't let it even a bit
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Yeah I hear you, I'm okay at doing it and have the pliers, what I meant by doing it right is getting it real tight so that it actually puts pressure clockwise on the bolt so there is no wiggle room even if the bolt tried to come loose it won't let it even a bit
Even if you do a crappy job wiring, as long as the tension direction is towards tightening the bolt, at most you will back off, what, 1/8th of a turn? That wont be enough to cause failure of any system.

The short version is torque bolts to spec, safety wire it, and forget it. I have never had a bolt loosen up using this method.

Oh, and Cody, my god yes you are right. All rearset bolts need to be locktited. Those things seem to back out in record time without it. Also the bolt that holds the shift lever onto the shift rod.

Again, I loctite every bolt on a bike that can be, that isnt already safety wired. Some bolts (like brake like bolts) simply cannot be wired or use loctite but anything else, you betcha.
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Even if you do a crappy job wiring, as long as the tension direction is towards tightening the bolt, at most you will back off, what, 1/8th of a turn? That wont be enough to cause failure of any system.

The short version is torque bolts to spec, safety wire it, and forget it. I have never had a bolt loosen up using this method.

Oh, and Cody, my god yes you are right. All rearset bolts need to be locktited. Those things seem to back out in record time without it. Also the bolt that holds the shift lever onto the shift rod.

Again, I loctite every bolt on a bike that can be, that isnt already safety wired. Some bolts (like brake like bolts) simply cannot be wired or use loctite but anything else, you betcha.
That is where a dab of silicone comes into play.
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I can't believe silicone actually sticks enough to hold bolts from backing off
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I can't believe silicone actually sticks enough to hold bolts from backing off
A lot of race orgs and track day orgs would disagree but to each their own. You are protecting against vibration, not force.
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A lot of race orgs and track day orgs would disagree but to each their own. You are protecting against vibration, not force.

I think I said that wrong. I don't disbelieve it, I'm just wowed by the fact it works well.
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Also remember that lubricating a thread will effect the proper torque spec. ie thread lock, anti-seize and other stuff unless specified by your manual.

I like to use silicone, and also the lock wires for a quick walk through of the ride making sure that nothing is backing out. I use blue silicone, but you can see cracking or lifting when you are wipeing down your ride during inspection.

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