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post #1 of 38 Old 11-10-2015, 08:28 AM Thread Starter
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For those with Enclosed Trailers/Toy Haulers..

For starters, I am looking to purchase an Enclosed Trailer for me and my family. The trailer will serve as transportation/storage for my motorcycle and gear as well as give us a place to sleep at night and give the wife and kids a comfortable place to hang out while at the track.

Here is what I am leaning towards:

8 1/2 x 20 Ft V-Nose Enclosed Trailer (Gutted)
Ramp Door in the front V-Nose portion
RV door

I think I may be able to find a used trailer for about $6,000. If I order something new it's going to be more expensive. The reason why I mentioned gutted is because I plan on insulating the trailer. The V-Nose Portion (and possibly some space in the tailer) will be the "garage" with the remaining space being the living area.

Similar to this- (I am looking to save money and skip the rear ramp)



I am hoping this trailer will give plenty of room to grow into. We initially were looking at a 6x12 and decided it would be too small, so I think if we use the space in the 20ft trailer resourcefully we will be able to make this trailer last for a few years until I can afford a diesel truck w/gooseneck trailer (I have a 1/2 ton F-150) The V-nose adds about 4' of cargo length which adds a considerable amount of space over a typical 20' trailer.

Any of you guys have anything for me to consider? We looked at used toy haulers but I need something that is easily towable that is comfortable for the entire family. I do not think a restroom/shower is a necessity considering the tracks here have full bathrooms. I feel like the enclosed trailer gives me a blank slate to configure the living area according to our needs and allows me to save money vs. the cost of a toy hauler.

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post #2 of 38 Old 11-10-2015, 10:33 AM
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Damn! That's nice! Totally envious of you guys with the huge haulers at the track. I just throw my track bike into into the bed of my ford ranger. Nothing fancy, but it get's it there.
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Only thing I would suggest would be to try and calculate what it will cost to get the gutted trailer up to where you want it. Add that to the price of the trailer. See how this compares to buying a used toy hauler. There is often a lot to be saved buy buying something already completed as opposed to building it yourself. Your F150 should be able to tow a decent sized toy hauler without the goose neck hitch.
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Only thing I would suggest would be to try and calculate what it will cost to get the gutted trailer up to where you want it. Add that to the price of the trailer. See how this compares to buying a used toy hauler. There is often a lot to be saved buy buying something already completed as opposed to building it yourself. Your F150 should be able to tow a decent sized toy hauler without the goose neck hitch.
just to add on to this with the f150 you need to look at tongue weight capabilities of your truck, more than likely depending on how heavy that trailer is you might need to have some suspension work done, air bags and what not. it may cost a bit extra but its the difference from your truck riding and saving you gas and looking like a fake pre runner truck.

also depending on the year of your truck and if it has the tow package you may need the adapter and wiring done for the tail/lighting to work on the trailer.

but the trailer looks bad ass and its a smart investment. Good Luck!

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My truck has 11,300 lbs towing capacity and a max tongue weight of 1130 this is with a weight distribution hitch, the current hitch is only good for 5,000 & 500.

Does anyone with a toy hauler think they would be better off without a shower/bathroom or do they see those amenities as necessary. My issue with the toy haulers in our price range is that the bathroom setup (front portion) takes away from available space.

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Mine looked something like this:
http://kz-rv.com/product-categories/...ers/index.html



The empty weight is just ~ 2300lbs loaded 3500lbs. Holds 2 bikes no problem, and even many V6 suvs could haul it (though I used a 1/2 ton pickup and a Suburban). It's nice to have A/C, fridge, Microwave, heat, etc.
I bought it on Ebay for $6900 new. It had hail damage (dings), but I didn't care.

It's probably a little small for your needs, but there are larger ones available. Look around for a good deal, often people don't use them as often as they think they will.

We use the grey water, but not the black, even though it has a small bathroom/shower. For your family it would not be a bad thing to have.



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8.5x20 is huge for an F150. It's not the weight it's the frontal area. I would not go larger than 7x16.

There is a cargo trailer conversion forum at tnttt.com. I even have a thread there for my second build...a 6x12 Vee Cargo to ToyHauler under sdiver68. That forum will be your best resource if you build one up.

It's a fun and relatively easy project but it is a project. I estimate at least 120 hours into mine. I did not do water...just partial insulation, heat, AC and room for 3 bikes/gear and 2 sleepers, 1 bike/gear and 4 sleepers, or bikes outside and 6 sleepers. I have some cool features like a loft bed, mounts for wheels on the wall, trim, ability to use any chock or axle stand available, etc..

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8.5x20 is huge for an F150. It's not the weight it's the frontal area. I would not go larger than 7x16.

There is a cargo trailer conversion forum at tnttt.com. I even have a thread there for my second build...a 6x12 Vee Cargo to ToyHauler under sdiver68. That forum will be your best resource if you build one up.

It's a fun and relatively easy project but it is a project. I estimate at least 120 hours into mine. I did not do water...just partial insulation, heat, AC and room for 3 bikes/gear and 2 sleepers, 1 bike/gear and 4 sleepers, or bikes outside and 6 sleepers. I have some cool features like a loft bed, mounts for wheels on the wall, trim, ability to use any chock or axle stand available, etc..
When you say frontal area is that even with the V nose? I was hoping that would help cut down on drag. I have already done a good amount of towing and while I am not a fan of the Eco Boost motor it does tow surprisingly well for a half ton.

I will look into that forum, I have almost made my mind made up on going with the enclosed trailer simply because I have not been able to find the kind of Toy Hauler that would work for my family's needs at a decent price like OffCamber posted. More than likely I was going to build an enclosed trailers with lofted portions above the cabinets/refrigerator/etc for my kids to sleep and hang out and try to maximize the space available. To be honest a lot of toy haulers in my price range seem to be focused on individuals/couples.
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Look for a good used toy hauler. I have a 19' that houses my family of 4 with a tv, heat/ac, full bath, full kitchen, queen bed and 2 twins. It is a little tight but very doable.

Holds 2 bikes easily and all my assorted gear. Ultralight frame, weighs 4000lbs empty and loaded is just at 5000 which should be plenty easy to pull with an F150 as I pull it with a V6 XTerra.

If your budget for a trailer is 6k, how much more were you planning on sinking into it to make it comfortable to live in at the track? Beds, heat/ac, fridge, microwave. You are easily in the $7500 range already. Spend a little more now to make you and your family happy and comfortable.

Take it from someone who knows: happy track wife, happy track kids = freedom to concentrate on racing/riding. When they are pissy, it affects my riding so do what you need to do to keep them happy.

I don't know how rigid your budget is but there are deals out there. This isnt even that amazing of a deal but its a pretty nice trailer for 8k

http://www.rvtrader.com/dealers/Toy-...21SP-116090457

Also for 7500 this seems nice

http://www.hwmotorhomes.com/2002-coy...-c-MI-i1800128 - 4500lb dry weight should be pullable with an F150.
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Look for a good used toy hauler. I have a 19' that houses my family of 4 with a tv, heat/ac, full bath, full kitchen, queen bed and 2 twins. It is a little tight but very doable.

Holds 2 bikes easily and all my assorted gear. Ultralight frame, weighs 4000lbs empty and loaded is just at 5000 which should be plenty easy to pull with an F150 as I pull it with a V6 XTerra.

If your budget for a trailer is 6k, how much more were you planning on sinking into it to make it comfortable to live in at the track? Beds, heat/ac, fridge, microwave. You are easily in the $7500 range already. Spend a little more now to make you and your family happy and comfortable.

Take it from someone who knows: happy track wife, happy track kids = freedom to concentrate on racing/riding. When they are pissy, it affects my riding so do what you need to do to keep them happy.

I don't know how rigid your budget is but there are deals out there. This isnt even that amazing of a deal but its a pretty nice trailer for 8k

New and Used RVs For Sale - Fleetwood, Airstream, Winnebago, Keystone, Forest River, Newmar - RVTrader.com

Also for 7500 this seems nice

Inventory - HW Motor Homes - HW Motorhomes your Canton Michigan RV Dealer - 4500lb dry weight should be pullable with an F150.
Thanks for the solid advice. May look into financing a toy hauler that would fit our needs, it just seems the longer we look at them the more expensive/bigger they get.

With the enclosed trailer I was looking at purchasing used if I could find one, and build it slowly into the end result that would be similar to a toy hauler, so although in the end I might spend $7-8k with A/C, Generator, Etc. I still wouldnt be dumping a bunch of cash up front.

I am also thinking of having the enclosed trailer as a temporary solution and then using that + decent down payment as a trade in for a toy hauler that is pretty nice.
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8.5x20 is huge for an F150. It's not the weight it's the frontal area. I would not go larger than 7x16.

There is a cargo trailer conversion forum at tnttt.com. I even have a thread there for my second build...a 6x12 Vee Cargo to ToyHauler under sdiver68. That forum will be your best resource if you build one up.

It's a fun and relatively easy project but it is a project. I estimate at least 120 hours into mine. I did not do water...just partial insulation, heat, AC and room for 3 bikes/gear and 2 sleepers, 1 bike/gear and 4 sleepers, or bikes outside and 6 sleepers. I have some cool features like a loft bed, mounts for wheels on the wall, trim, ability to use any chock or axle stand available, etc..
Here's the link:
Teardrops n Tiny Travel Trailers ? View topic - 6x12 Vee Toy Hauler Lite build

I want to do something very similar. I have a 6x12 now, but all it has in it is e-track on both sides and a pit-bull trailer restraint system. I was hoping to start doing build out on it this winter, but we will see. I was also wanting to do some internal square tube framing on the inside welded to the frame of the trailer for fold-away beds as well as a solid place to mount things like a tire rack on. I want to have a counter top in front with a very tiny gravity fed sink so I can brush my teeth/wash my hands without having to get out of the trailer. My biggest worry is where to keep my spare wheels. I usually have quite a few wheels and tires with me and want to make sure I can fit them and have them out of the way.

I also need a pretty hefty portable ac unit that'll keep up in texas heat.

Looking forward to your build. Keep us updated!
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Here's the link:
Teardrops n Tiny Travel Trailers ? View topic - 6x12 Vee Toy Hauler Lite build

I want to do something very similar. I have a 6x12 now, but all it has in it is e-track on both sides and a pit-bull trailer restraint system. I was hoping to start doing build out on it this winter, but we will see. I was also wanting to do some internal square tube framing on the inside welded to the frame of the trailer for fold-away beds as well as a solid place to mount things like a tire rack on. I want to have a counter top in front with a very tiny gravity fed sink so I can brush my teeth/wash my hands without having to get out of the trailer. My biggest worry is where to keep my spare wheels. I usually have quite a few wheels and tires with me and want to make sure I can fit them and have them out of the way.

I also need a pretty hefty portable ac unit that'll keep up in texas heat.

Looking forward to your build. Keep us updated!
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Thanks for the link Cody. I considered a 6x12 with a lofted bed in back for me and my wife and fold away twins underneath for the kids/motorcycle. We determined after looking at the 6x12 that it would be too small.

I am leaning towards making the cargo area in the "V" portion. Loft the kids matresses above that and have a fixed bed in back for me and the wife. It all depends on if I think the enclosed trailer build will suffice as a long term solution (5+ years) A/C and insulation is the biggest concern, was thinking about having a portable grill and awning for an outdoor type kitchen set up.

The good thing about having a ramp in the "V" is that they have to get more aggresive with the angle to ensure the ramp clears the tongue, it gives almost 4 ft of length on the trailer and makes it a lot more aerodynamic.
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If you're looking for a 5+ year solution for your family, I'd get the newest, biggest toy hauler you afford/pull. A friend of mine has a 19-22' toy hauler that he pulls with his ecoboost. He says it pulls pretty good with the stability bars on it.

The reason I went with an enclosed trailer is I still use it as a trailer when it's not loaded with motorcycles. But the fact is that they are small and windowless, so they feel even more enclosed/small. Sure you add windows, but you keep on adding to the price of the trailer and most likely, you'll never get that money back and you might even decrease the value of the trailer instead of increasing it. I'm not saying a toy hauler wont depreciate, but you can have a much better idea of how much it'll be worth in a few years and what you'll be losing on it.

Just my thoughts though.
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If you're looking for a 5+ year solution for your family, I'd get the newest, biggest toy hauler you afford/pull. A friend of mine has a 19-22' toy hauler that he pulls with his ecoboost. He says it pulls pretty good with the stability bars on it.

The reason I went with an enclosed trailer is I still use it as a trailer when it's not loaded with motorcycles. But the fact is that they are small and windowless, so they feel even more enclosed/small. Sure you add windows, but you keep on adding to the price of the trailer and most likely, you'll never get that money back and you might even decrease the value of the trailer instead of increasing it. I'm not saying a toy hauler wont depreciate, but you can have a much better idea of how much it'll be worth in a few years and what you'll be losing on it.

Just my thoughts though.
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Exactly, the depreciation is almost a wash when considering the amount of potential buyers I lose when you consider I am almost killing 3/4 of the cargo space of a 20' trailer.

I am trying to walk the fine line of keeping the wife happy and keeping the bank account sorted. The last thing I want is my comeback being delayed because the misses wants to hold out for a 5th wheel
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So I found a website called floorplanner and played around with it, here is/was my idea for an ideal toy hauler layout for our needs:



Obviously the one angled lofted bed would actually be two side by side with the entire area above the garage lofted with a TV and probably curtains for the kids to hang out in. There would be rails and everything to keep them from rolling out at night with a ladder/steps with storage built in.

You can see the Motorcycle/Generator underneath the bed (A seperate floor would be hard to show on this program.

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