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post #16 of 46 Old 10-17-2016, 06:09 AM
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If you have money to burn.. sure.

If not... the proper fluid and bleed will perform just fine for the track.

As you know.... to race in the MotoAmerica SuperStock 600 series you have to run the stock master cylinder.

My set-up is as follows:

Braided lines.
Vesrah RJL XX Pads.
Castrol SRF Fluid.
Speed Bleeders.
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Stock Master.
Stock Calipers.
Stock Rotors.

Take the time to bleed your brakes correctly.

I've had zero brake fade all year.



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What brand of lines do you run? I personally like the Y lines, do you know who makes it for our bike? I got a 2014 ZX6R.

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Good Lines, Good fluid and Good Pads....

That's the answer...

And you don't even need the XX Pads.... The straight up RJL's are fine too.

Oh yea... I bleed mine (push new fluid in every race weekend).

Plus blow compressed air past the pads every wheel change....

And then soap and water with a tooth brush once a weekend.



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I do the exact same. Plus put a few drops of brake fluid on the caliper piston and push it back in. This makes sure the piston pushes and pull back in nicely with no sticking.

I use brembo Z04 pads. They make a huge amt of brake dust but work amazing.
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What brand of lines do you run? I personally like the Y lines, do you know who makes it for our bike? I got a 2014 ZX6R.

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Oddly my lines are off my old 04ZX10. But I'd prefer the "Y" lines too. That way only one line and a shorter banjo bolt is used at the master.

Too many times I have crashed and dented the forks with the longer bolt.

I'll have to look around to see if anyone offers "Y" lines....



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Oddly my lines are off my old 04ZX10. But I'd prefer the "Y" lines too. That way only one line and a shorter banjo bolt is used at the master.

Too many times I have crashed and dented the forks with the longer bolt.

I'll have to look around to see if anyone offers "Y" lines....



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The first thing I did with my 6 was pull the RCS 19 I had on my 06 zx10, and the Spiegler SS lines. Swapped them over to my 6 and it was a night and day difference.
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The first thing I did with my 6 was pull the RCS 19 I had on my 06 zx10, and the Spiegler SS lines. Swapped them over to my 6 and it was a night and day difference.
There is no doubt that the RCS 19 and Spiegler SS lines are the sh!t.
Add good fluid and pads, and Bam... you've got the best brakes ever.....!!

However... You can make the stock master work... as it's a class requirement.




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There is no doubt that the RCS 19 and Spiegler SS lines are the sh!t.
Add good fluid and pads, and Bam... you've got the best brakes ever.....!!

However... You can make the stock master work... as it's a class requirement.

That is what I'm shooting for; I just ordered new pads and front rotors. Felt sick when I ordered rotors though. They're way more costly than I imagined. I started getting really annoyed with my lever pulsing on me.


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That is what I'm shooting for; I just ordered new pads and front rotors. Felt sick when I ordered rotors though. They're way more costly than I imagined. I started getting really annoyed with my lever pulsing on me.
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Oddly my lines are off my old 04ZX10. But I'd prefer the "Y" lines too. That way only one line and a shorter banjo bolt is used at the master.

Too many times I have crashed and dented the forks with the longer bolt.

I'll have to look around to see if anyone offers "Y" lines....



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CoreMoto sales that kind of you let them know! And their lines are fantastic I order some as soon as I bought my trackbike that didn't have them!
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If you have money to burn.. sure.

If not... the proper fluid and bleed will perform just fine for the track.

As you know.... to race in the MotoAmerica SuperStock 600 series you have to run the stock master cylinder.

My set-up is as follows:

Braided lines.
Vesrah RJL XX Pads.
Castrol SRF Fluid.
Speed Bleeders.
Vortex Adjustable Lever.
Stock Master.
Stock Calipers.
Stock Rotors.

Take the time to bleed your brakes correctly.

I've had zero brake fade all year.



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I was not aware of the OEM MC requirement. Looks like I will need to find one. As for brake fade I never really notice it except at my home track (Loudon, NH) which is really point and shoot compared to a lot of the longer, more flowing tracks. Extreme braking with very little time to cool down between so I was getting substantial brake fade on the OEM unit.

The RCS still gets some fade but nowhere near as bad. I can still trail brake while having my hand on the throttle which was not possible with the OEM unit after a handful of laps.

To the OP, I find the control better from the Brembo unit. If your bike is the latest gen (13+) the OEM brakes are VERY good. The calipers in particular are amazing. If you want to be able to loft the rear tire with one finger then Brembo is the way but the same can be done with the OEM unit with a little more brake pressure (and thus less feel).
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Here is a nice set of "Y" Lines

Goodridge Pro Racing Brake Line Kit 3L Front Black for Kawasaki ZX 6R 2009 2011 | eBay

I didn't shop price so maybe look around if your in the market...


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I have no idea how well a Beringer MC works but it has a great finish.

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I cant compare the RCS to the stock zx6r unit but I changed my Crossplane R1 OEM MC to the RCS. Is it worth the money for street riding? absolutely not. Is it worth the money for track use? Sure. I went with the RCS and played with the settings until I found the feel I liked and have not touched it since. The biggest difference I found was more feel at the lever and less effort in braking.

To me they are like rearsets or suspension work. They are not needed but make the track riding experience nicer. And with that, the less distraction you have the more you can focus on your lines.

Would I spend the money again if I had to do it all over? No, but that is because my R1 is street ridden. Will I buy one for my track designated ZX6R? No, I believe I can do without it for track day use but if I began to race, yes I would switch up. Do they feel sweet? Again, yes but as I stated before not needed at my current level.
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Just so we are clear, there is absolutely NO valid reason for going with a Brembo MC on a street-only bike. I assumed we were discussing track riding.
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In my ever so humble opinion (tongue firmly planted in cheek), the answer to the question is a resounding: depends.

First, off it depends how aggressive one rides. The more so, the greater the need.

Secondly, it depends on how deep your pockets are. Are you gonna miss your rent/mortgage? Are you gonna be delinquent on your child support? Is your poodle/tabby/gold fish gonna go hungry? If so, this is not the proper time to allocate such funds.

Thirdly, do you do track days? If so, are you in a high+ "B" group? Be honest.

Fourth, is the rest of your brake system O.E.? If so, how soon will you improve that? If not very soon, this is not the time.

The next issue is touchy, that of touch sensation. Everyone is unique; thus, if you have below average touch sensation a high powered brake system could land one in the weeds. This is very serious business. Again, be honest. Super K could install a fabulous m/c, rotor, and lines. They intentionally dumb it down. One , to save money, two, to potentially save lives.

Again, humility requires my apologies to Sabotage, because even though brake system components don't jump out at the casual observer, say like new can, or LED turn signals, etc, suspension & braking components ought to be the second upgrades one ought to perform; second only to education - track days.

Go out to a track during a race weekend, as a spectator, and talk to various riders. Remember, they are not impartial, they have sponsors to chat up. What specifically do they like/dislike about their present system? Draw some rational conclusions. During heats, if you are able, go to the "tricky" spots and take notes of what's happening. If you are able, have a friend/spouse, etc also take notes - don't compare until later in the day.

The O.E. equipment that Super K puts on our bike is good, or good enough. If you are currently not routinely out riding your present system, you might think about investing in your moto-education. On the other hand if you are, than invest in the best suspension/braking equipment you can afford.

Don't be lazy, do your homework! Don't be a slave to fashion. But, if you are of a mind to get new lines & rotors if you currently do not have then, do this as a package. I almost never suggest installing multiple items at the same time, but this is the one. (I'd also suggest doing a new can and new ignition, CPU reflashing, DJ PC-V, etc at the same time).

I am presently running a Gale Speed m/c & complementing clutch perch (both come with lovely folding levers). Core Moto brake lines, and Brake Tech SS AXIS Cobra rotors; front and back. Yes, this represents a very pretty penny. I'd do it again in a heart beat. They are in fact that good.

Good luck hunting!😵🐾
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Just so we are clear, there is absolutely NO valid reason for going with a Brembo MC on a street-only bike. I assumed we were discussing track riding.
Correct. That was what I was inquiring about. I think by now, most of the regulars here can/should assume that any tech question I ask, is related to track riding and racing only since both my bikes are race bikes.

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Correct. That was what I was inquiring about. I think by now, most of the regulars here can/should assume that any tech question I ask, is related to track riding and racing only since both my bikes are race bikes.

SBK1198, I don't think Slo was a being cheeky bugger, it seems to me he was simply trying to get the facts straight. Better to clarify things, then respond inaccurately.

I don't know Slow, but my take on him is he's fairly straightforward.
Anyway, that's my 2-cents
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