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SBK1198, I don't think Slo was a being cheeky bugger, it seems to me he was simply trying to get the facts straight. Better to clarify things, then respond inaccurately.

I don't know Slow, but my take on him is he's fairly straightforward.
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That is what I'm shooting for; I just ordered new pads and front rotors. Felt sick when I ordered rotors though. They're way more costly than I imagined. I started getting really annoyed with my lever pulsing on me.

Welcome to the club, mate. The air is more rarefied up here. Sometimes, you're a little light headed, and impulsively whip out that credit card quicker than you've ever previously done.

There is no known cure.

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Welcome to the club, mate. The air is more rarefied up here. Sometimes, you're a little light headed, and impulsively whip out that credit card quicker than you've ever previously done.

There is no known cure.

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Oh I joined the club years ago lol. My zx10 upgrades made sure I entered fashionably. I just didn't like the cost of a metal disk, albeit a very important metal disk, but a disk none the less
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Oh I joined the club years ago lol. My zx10 upgrades made sure I entered fashionably. I just didn't like the cost of a metal disk, albeit a very important metal disk, but a disk none the less
Yeah if you really think about it, the material itself in a rotor is no more than about $20-30. It's all the machining labor associated with making it that's expensive....hence chinese ones are so cheap

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True, I would definitely shell out the dough for something of quality. Chinese stuff is quantity not quality.
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True, I would definitely shell out the dough for something of quality. Chinese stuff is quantity not quality.
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I was told a Galfer rep that Brembo no longer makes it's RCS MC in italy so who knows where its made now.

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I was told a Galfer rep that Brembo no longer makes it's RCS MC in italy so who knows where its made now.
I'll admit, I've bought some chinese shit in the past, and some of it is actually pretty decent. You can get 90% of the quality for like 30% of the price. However, I wouldn't trust them with important components (like brakes) or complex parts that have many moving parts, like suspensions. I've bought Chinese rearsets and clutch/brake levers for my cbr500 for stupid cheap, and so far, a year into it they've been great! Even crashed and the pegs didn't break. The brake pedal is slightly bent, but still works just as well (not that I use it anyway).

I've even bought some Chinese fake Alpinestars GP-Pro gloves for $90. The difference between the real ones are VERY subtle. The quality is obviously not quite the same, but it's not crap that falls apart either. They fit well, and feel great too. Not sure how they'll do in a crash, but I highly doubt they'll just disintegrate lol

As far as the Brembo copycats, I recently saw an article going around on facebook from Brembo about how to tell if a Brembo product is genuine or fake. That MC you posted above is obviously a fake. I just hate that the Chinese use the same names for their stuff to get more sales. I feel like that's illegal (or should be).

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I was told a Galfer rep that Brembo no longer makes it's RCS MC in italy so who knows where its made now.
Oh and to add to that, who knows where they're now made. It's really not important where they're made but HOW they're made. Many great products from well known companies are made in China or other parts of SE Asia, but what differentiates those products from the Chinese crap that's usually copied, is that if they're made under a well-known brand name, they have good quality control and stricter specifications in their manufacturing process. Basically the stuff might be designed in Europe, US, or other places and then just made in a chinese factory using those specifications. The chinese companies that do things on their own and make crap products or copy other companies' stuff have shit for quality control. A lot of times it's a hit and miss with that stuff because pretty much everything leaves the facility no matter how bad it was made. You can have 2 products that are the same, and one will last for years and the other will fail in a few weeks.

Both my Alpinestars glove pairs are made in China, but one was $260 and is genuine, the other was $90 and it's a fake
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OK, all you xenophobic fellow ZX riders out there in the virtual globe; OK, hold your right hand up if you think the Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Indonesians, Malaysians, etc, (include all Asian, & Southasians) make cheap crappy stuff.

OK, now if you own a Accura, Honda, Infinity, Lexus, Nissan, Subaru, or Toyota automobile put your hand up.

If you own a lawn mower, edger, leaf blower, snow blower, or other electronical/gas powered lawn equipment put your hand up.

If you own any other Japanese scooter, 4-wheeler, or other motorcycle, put your hand up.

Those of you with any Apple products... any Apple product put you hand up.

Who out there has boosted their car/truck stereo? Put your hand up.

Now, those of you that "Just Do It"; socks, shirts, work out gear, casual Nike clothing, golf bag, cleats, jock, swim suit, etc... you can put your hands up

Oh, yeah, who out there has a computer? You stick your hands up.

I'm getting tired.

By now my overwhelming redundancy has made its point. Homo sapiens can make stuff, any kind of stuff of stunning quality. They can also make unadulterated bile stench crap. No continent, or country has a lock on either extreme. To think so is unmitigated idiocy. No exceptions.

Get real; I'm such an old codger, that I can remember my dad telling me, "... if a diamond cost you a dollar, then it's not even worth a dollar....." And he was speaking of stuff made in the good ole U.S.of A. Buyer beware.
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OK, all you xenophobic fellow ZX riders out there in the virtual globe; OK, hold your right hand up if you think the Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Indonesians, Malaysians, etc, (include all Asian, & Southasians) make cheap crappy stuff.

OK, now if you own a Accura, Honda, Infinity, Lexus, Nissan, Subaru, or Toyota automobile put your hand up.

If you own a lawn mower, edger, leaf blower, snow blower, or other electronical/gas powered lawn equipment put your hand up.

If you own any other Japanese scooter, 4-wheeler, or other motorcycle, put your hand up.

Those of you with any Apple products... any Apple product put you hand up.

Who out there has boosted their car/truck stereo? Put your hand up.

Now, those of you that "Just Do It"; socks, shirts, work out gear, casual Nike clothing, golf bag, cleats, jock, swim suit, etc... you can put your hands up

Oh, yeah, who out there has a computer? You stick your hands up.

I'm getting tired.

By now my overwhelming redundancy has made its point. Homo sapiens can make stuff, any kind of stuff of stunning quality. They can also make unadulterated bile stench crap. No continent, or country has a lock on either extreme. To think so is unmitigated idiocy. No exceptions.

Get real; I'm such an old codger, that I can remember my dad telling me, "... if a diamond cost you a dollar, then it's not even worth a dollar....." And he was speaking of stuff made in the good ole U.S.of A. Buyer beware.
Ok...so you're saying anything can happen. Great. Although true, not really helpful. Stereotypes do come from somewhere after all. There is a reason a lot of people don't buy Chinese stuff, why they don't trust Chinese stuff, and why it's so much cheaper than other stuff. Sure not EVERYTHING made there is crap, as I mentioned in my comments above, but a lot of it is. And that's where the stereotypes come from. This is a "chance" game. You have a much higher chance of getting junk if it's made and designed in china (by a chinese company, not under a different name), than you do if it's made in other places like western Europe, Scandinavia, US, Canada, etc.

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I think it's more 'Cheap Chinese stuff is not necessarily better than the expensive version of the same thing'.

As you said, your nice A* gloves are made in China. Thus, it's not China that's the problem, it's cheap.

We just use 'China' casually as a stand in for 'cheap things you find on eBay that were inexpensively mass produced and sold at below market values for similar components'.
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Ok...so you're saying anything can happen. Great. Although true, not really helpful. Stereotypes do come from somewhere after all. There is a reason a lot of people don't buy Chinese stuff, why they don't trust Chinese stuff, and why it's so much cheaper than other stuff. Sure not EVERYTHING made there is crap, as I mentioned in my comments above, but a lot of it is. And that's where the stereotypes come from. This is a "chance" game. You have a much higher chance of getting junk if it's made and designed in china (by a chinese company, not under a different name), than you do if it's made in other places like western Europe, Scandinavia, US, Canada, etc.
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"Us" vs "Them"; "We" vs "They"; "You" vs "Me". As an anthropologist/biologist I can tell you these, and many more words are words of fear and self-sanctification. Used as in the above it comes down to jingoistic posturing. Am I being harsh? The countries and regions sited are predominantly WASP-ish. No, not harsh, merely observant.

This is quite possibly not consciously intended to have such a slant. All of us are products of our culture and the place in history. That runs from our immediate family up through our state and nation.

In this climate (socio-political) words like Chinese (China) & Mexican (Mexico), Democrat, Liberal, Patriot, Muslim, and even names like Californian , Southerner, New Englander, have social connotations in the present. And how we personally interpret such words are exclusively a result of our culture. And this leads to labels. Again, Us vs Them. And if we do so we can dehumanize the Them. Thusly, it becomes acceptable to treat the Thems as lesser-thans. Historically, we use the term: sub-humans. Again, this label allows us castigate these various groups - foreigners. Foreigners are not one of Us! It becomes OK, even championed to abuse the Them, because They are not one of Us.

Every nation, every ethnicity, every generation yields great works of art and engineering feats, they also turn out "stuff that's crap."

If you want/need a top brand widget than go to that widget maker or their recognized retailer. If you want Dainese leathers than go to Cycle Gear; if you want Rizoma rearsets go to Motostrano,

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If you go to eBay and the price is phenomenally better than every other vendour you've spent the last 3-nightes scouring the internet has yielded. You might want to slow down and consider the source. Contact the vendour directly. If there is no readily available phone #, or customer service email, than again question how your luck could be, no, is SO out- of-this-world fantastic.The old saw still holds water: "... if it's too good to be true, than it's probably not true.... "

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Once again ZedEx comes through in style and saved me a lot of typing =)

My profession is in manufacturing so I have spent a lot of time with both domestic and overseas production. The issue with Chinese stuff can be the quality of the raw material (China had bad steel for a while) but mostly it is with the quality control. Volume is king there so stuff gets let through that may not pass muster to you or I. That is simply their culture. I have had MANY components for businesses in the past made in China and had absolutely stellar results. Conversely I have also had stuff made in America that was crap. It really comes down to each individual shop.

My current levers are made in China from a machine shop that I have had over 8 years of business with and so I trust that they put out a quality product. I had *really* wanted my second generation levers to be made in the USA but every single quote that I have received would put them at about $400 per set....MY COST. I have no choice but to get them made overseas.

Anyway, I digress.

The point of this was that there can be good and bad stuff from anywhere on the planet. Be a smart consumer and do your diligence to ensure that you end up with something that is quality.
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My profession is in manufacturing so I have spent a lot of time with both domestic and overseas production. The issue with Chinese stuff can be the quality of the raw material (China had bad steel for a while) but mostly it is with the quality control. Volume is king there so stuff gets let through that may not pass muster to you or I. That is simply their culture. I have had MANY components for businesses in the past made in China and had absolutely stellar results. Conversely I have also had stuff made in America that was crap. It really comes down to each individual shop.
Exactly! That's the point I was trying to make in my previous posts, and it's also an observation or knowledge gained from working in manufacturing as well.

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