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What do you guys think?? Personally I hope WSP doesn't go away. I don't really mind seeing other types of bikes and classes, but not at the expense of something so iconic that works so well. If that happens it would pretty much put an end to 600s

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I honestly have no problem moving on to liter bikes . . . as long as they keep the same pricing as 600's, or relatively speaking within that range. Seriously, manufacturers have their work cut out for them. Not enough tech or affordability as of late for a dying class. Might as well just kill it already and just focus on affordable literbikes. I really don't know what to expect anymore. If anything I barely see much people interested in this motorsport. The only people I feel comfortable discussing motorsports with is in this forum!
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I honestly have no problem moving on to liter bikes . . . as long as they keep the same pricing as 600's, or relatively speaking within that range. Seriously, manufacturers have their work cut out for them. Not enough tech or affordability as of late for a dying class. Might as well just kill it already and just focus on affordable literbikes. I really don't know what to expect anymore. If anything I barely see much people interested in this motorsport. The only people I feel comfortable discussing motorsports with is in this forum!
I agree with the last part (there's also the WERA forum though...that's where all the crazies are lol). But I don't know of very many people that want to race naked bikes not designed for racing. Pretty much everyone I know is on supersports or superbikes, with the lightweight bikes becoming more and more popular in the last few years, but they're still not naked bikes.

I don't think their goal is to focus more on superbikes, as far as manufacturing goes. As far as racing, sure. The big bikes have always been the pinnacle of motorcycle racing. I just don't get the idea of dropping a class of bikes that are designed for racing with lots of years of development, and replacing it with a class of bikes that are designed more for street riding in relative comfort
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Yeah. That makes no sense. and racing 600's is a logical step before moving to the big liter bikes. Walk before ya run

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WHATTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!

WSBK News - World Superbike announces radical grid shake-up

The starting grid for race two of each World Superbike weekend will no longer be based on the results of the Superpole qualifying session.

Instead, the starting order will be decided by the results of race one.

Superpole results will define the grid positions for riders who finished 10th or lower in the first race.


This does not mean that the tenth place rider in Superpole will start tenth in race two, but that the highest placed Superpole rider outside the top nine will start in tenth.


For example, the rider starting on pole in race one might fail to finish and therefore start tenth in race two.

The top nine grid places will then be allocated using the following (rather complex) system:

* The top three riders in race one will move back to row three, and see 1st and 3rd reverse their positions. So the 1st place rider will start from 9th, 2nd place from 8th and 3rd from 7th.

* Riders who finished in 4th, 5th and 6th will be promoted to the front row. So 4th will start from pole, 5th from 2nd and 6th from 3rd.

* Riders who finished in 7th, 8th and 9th will start from the second row. So 7th will start from 4th, 8th from 5th and 9th from 6th.

All clear?!

In other news, World Supersport will adopt flag-to-flag racing in 2017, meaning races will no longer be stopped due to weather changes and riders will instead - as in WorldSBK and MotoGP - be able to change tyres.
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I'm loving the new changes!

Good explanation here: https://motomatters.com/news/2016/12...to_inject.html
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I think it's stupid as hell. Just got done reading about this on the WERA forum...all 4 pages of it already! lol
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Not the best rule change but Dorna is desperate to get more viewers which is what is sure to happen from these changes. From the perspective of a racer, the changes are terrible and unjustified, however it will call for closer racing between the disadvantaged and front row.
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Not the best rule change but Dorna is desperate to get more viewers which is what is sure to happen from these changes. From the perspective of a racer, the changes are terrible and unjustified, however it will call for closer racing between the disadvantaged and front row.
This is true. I'm just thinking from the point of riders and teams, especially the guys that have worked really hard and have the talent. Basically penalizing a bunch of people because Rea was a beast and dominated 2 years in a row. Well Foggarty was pretty damn dominant in his day too, and there were way less viewers then...and things worked out just fine.

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WHATTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!

WSBK News - World Superbike announces radical grid shake-up

The starting grid for race two of each World Superbike weekend will no longer be based on the results of the Superpole qualifying session.

Instead, the starting order will be decided by the results of race one.

Superpole results will define the grid positions for riders who finished 10th or lower in the first race.


This does not mean that the tenth place rider in Superpole will start tenth in race two, but that the highest placed Superpole rider outside the top nine will start in tenth.


For example, the rider starting on pole in race one might fail to finish and therefore start tenth in race two.

The top nine grid places will then be allocated using the following (rather complex) system:

* The top three riders in race one will move back to row three, and see 1st and 3rd reverse their positions. So the 1st place rider will start from 9th, 2nd place from 8th and 3rd from 7th.

* Riders who finished in 4th, 5th and 6th will be promoted to the front row. So 4th will start from pole, 5th from 2nd and 6th from 3rd.

* Riders who finished in 7th, 8th and 9th will start from the second row. So 7th will start from 4th, 8th from 5th and 9th from 6th.

All clear?!

In other news, World Supersport will adopt flag-to-flag racing in 2017, meaning races will no longer be stopped due to weather changes and riders will instead - as in WorldSBK and MotoGP - be able to change tyres.
So if you wanted a win, but you're down in third on race one, drop back to 4th so you can be on pole tomorrow!

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So if you wanted a win, but you're down in third on race one, drop back to 4th so you can be on pole tomorrow!
Exactly! You'll only lose 3 points in race one by doing that but the difference is 7th on the grid vs 1st for race 2! That could potentially give you more than those 3 points you're losing in race 1. Gonna be some really awkward "battles for 3rd" from now on, when you'll see 2-3 guys running at same pace and nobody wants to take 3rd and they all slow down at the end LOL
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Still kind of dumb.... it's like socialism or something for positions

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My thought is that they, Dorna, are trying desperately to differentiate WSBK from MotoGP with the target audience being people not familiar with the series (There really are too few of us that actually ride and are interested as well as knowledgeable when it comes to a particular racing series.) So far having two races and switching up the schedules, race on Saturday and Sunday, hasn't gotten the results that were expected.

I also think they are trying to find a "Rossi" figure in WSBK that will attract the sentimental and common fans. Not saying that Rossi isn't a great rider, because of course he is, but a lot of his "fans" really have zero knowledge of what MotoGP is or have never ridden a motorcycle.
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Even NASCAR can't attract the same crowds anymore..

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My thought is that they, Dorna, are trying desperately to differentiate WSBK from MotoGP with the target audience being people not familiar with the series (There really are too few of us that actually ride and are interested as well as knowledgeable when it comes to a particular racing series.) So far having two races and switching up the schedules, race on Saturday and Sunday, hasn't gotten the results that were expected.

I also think they are trying to find a "Rossi" figure in WSBK that will attract the sentimental and common fans. Not saying that Rossi isn't a great rider, because of course he is, but a lot of his "fans" really have zero knowledge of what MotoGP is or have never ridden a motorcycle.
Problem with that is it's hard to keep a "Rossi" like figure in WSBK because if they're really good they'll want to go into MotoGP. Bayliss was probably the last guy like that in WSBK who really did well and had lots of fans. Before that it was Foggarty.

It's sad though because a lot of times I enjoy WSBK more than MotoGP. Seeing what lots of money can do is cool, but none of us will ever have that because they're prototypes, so seeing what bikes like our own can do with some mods is more interesting to me.
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