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Problem with that is it's hard to keep a "Rossi" like figure in WSBK because if they're really good they'll want to go into MotoGP. Bayliss was probably the last guy like that in WSBK who really did well and had lots of fans. Before that it was Foggarty.

It's sad though because a lot of times I enjoy WSBK more than MotoGP. Seeing what lots of money can do is cool, but none of us will ever have that because they're prototypes, so seeing what bikes like our own can do with some mods is more interesting to me.
Speak for yourself, i will own a Kalex one day and the Moto3 bikes are actually reasonable to purchase... relatively speaking.

I think Dorna is desperate as WSBK is hemorrhaging money and as said they don't have a Rossi like character to buoy the series and push merchandise and attendance.

That being said I think the rule shake up is good, I would've liked to have seen the safety car instituted like BSB but hey you can't get everything. If Chaz Davies likes it and says it reminds him of his cart racing days who am I to disagree... I guess we all have the option not to watch but seriously with so little racing to watch period who is going to do that? I do see part of their point though, if I just watched Chaz Davies or Johnny Rea walk away with the race on Sat do I really want to come back, pay again and watch him do the exact same thing all over again, this format will definitely keep things spicy lol
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Speak for yourself, i will own a Kalex one day and the Moto3 bikes are actually reasonable to purchase... relatively speaking.
Ok, well most of us won't. And even then, the Moto 2 bikes aren't that special. If I have $75k+ to spend on a bike I'll build a WSBK-spec Panigale or RSV4 or something similar. But I meant MotoGP. Doubt that you'll be able to get your hands on a MotoGP bike, even if you have the money. Most don't get sold to random people even if they have money. There was a dude recently who pulled some strings somehow and bought not one, but 2 of Rossi's MotoGP bikes from 2011-2012 when he was with Ducati!

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That being said I think the rule shake up is good, I would've liked to have seen the safety car instituted like BSB but hey you can't get everything. If Chaz Davies likes it and says it reminds him of his cart racing days who am I to disagree...
Seeing the safety car in BSB was a bit of a surprise. First time I've ever seen that in bike racing. Don't really know what to think of it to be honest. Seemed to work just fine for them, but it seems to me like that series has a shit load of crashes, and quite a few nasty ones too. I think the safety car came out in probably about 1/3 of the races this year. In WSBK, there haven't been nearly that many red flags or accidents that would warrant the use of a safety car. I certainly would've preferred that instead of the fuckery of the grid-up rule for race 2! But yeah, I did see Chaz's comment about it. I was pretty surprised by that. I figured he'd be one of the most pissed off guys in the world about this new rule! I still would've rather had them do it like in BSB, and just go by the fastest lap in race 1. That mixes things up a bit but doesn't screw over the top guys that bad.

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I guess we all have the option not to watch but seriously with so little racing to watch period who is going to do that? I do see part of their point though, if I just watched Chaz Davies or Johnny Rea walk away with the race on Sat do I really want to come back, pay again and watch him do the exact same thing all over again, this format will definitely keep things spicy lol
Umm...yes, I would! I watched Chaz do the double 4-5 times this year (can't remember for sure how many he had), and I enjoyed every minute of it!

Now if Jorge Lorenzo was in WSBK and he'd do that....yeah I might turn it off sometimes lol

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Ok, well most of us won't. And even then, the Moto 2 bikes aren't that special. If I have $75k+ to spend on a bike I'll build a WSBK-spec Panigale or RSV4 or something similar. But I meant MotoGP. Doubt that you'll be able to get your hands on a MotoGP bike, even if you have the money. Most don't get sold to random people even if they have money. There was a dude recently who pulled some strings somehow and bought not one, but 2 of Rossi's MotoGP bikes from 2011-2012 when he was with Ducati!



Seeing the safety car in BSB was a bit of a surprise. First time I've ever seen that in bike racing. Don't really know what to think of it to be honest. Seemed to work just fine for them, but it seems to me like that series has a shit load of crashes, and quite a few nasty ones too. I think the safety car came out in probably about 1/3 of the races this year. In WSBK, there haven't been nearly that many red flags or accidents that would warrant the use of a safety car. I certainly would've preferred that instead of the fuckery of the grid-up rule for race 2! But yeah, I did see Chaz's comment about it. I was pretty surprised by that. I figured he'd be one of the most pissed off guys in the world about this new rule! I still would've rather had them do it like in BSB, and just go by the fastest lap in race 1. That mixes things up a bit but doesn't screw over the top guys that bad.



Umm...yes, I would! I watched Chaz do the double 4-5 times this year (can't remember for sure how many he had), and I enjoyed every minute of it!

Now if Jorge Lorenzo was in WSBK and he'd do that....yeah I might turn it off sometimes lol

Fair enough, everyone has their dream bike, that being said if I had 85k to drop on a Moto2 bike I'd probably have a WSBK spec bike or two in the garage already... lol

I did see that article with the lucky sob with the two Ducati GP bikes, but I thought one was Hayden's and one was Rossi's either way lucky guy.

I just like that the safety car system keeps things moving unless there is a serious crash.


Again yes I as well would watch Chaz in the lead all day, hell I'd watch him just doing practice laps for hours but like you I'm not the average fan that you were speaking of that WSBK is trying to attract. That fan needs quick fast paced action like football (real football not that American hand egg ball game lol) and I think that is what they are trying to achieve with the changes, to tell the truth I just got used to the Saturday race 1 business so I'll just wait and see how it goes before I make up my mind.
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Fair enough, everyone has their dream bike, that being said if I had 85k to drop on a Moto2 bike I'd probably have a WSBK spec bike or two in the garage already... lol
Yeah that's a good point. I guess I was thinking if that's ALL that I had...but now that I think of it, even if I did I wouldn't blow all my play money on 1 bike. I'd have like 3 less expensive ones, a truckload of race tires and track days and race weekend like every other weekend

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I did see that article with the lucky sob with the two Ducati GP bikes, but I thought one was Hayden's and one was Rossi's either way lucky guy.

I just like that the safety car system keeps things moving unless there is a serious crash.


Again yes I as well would watch Chaz in the lead all day, hell I'd watch him just doing practice laps for hours but like you I'm not the average fan that you were speaking of that WSBK is trying to attract. That fan needs quick fast paced action like football (real football not that American hand egg ball game lol) and I think that is what they are trying to achieve with the changes, to tell the truth I just got used to the Saturday race 1 business so I'll just wait and see how it goes before I make up my mind.
Hahaha...as I was reading the last paragraph and saw "quick fast paced action like FOOTBALL"...I was thinking "WTF is this guy smoking? He can't be serious if he thinks football is more fast paced and exciting than WSBK", but then I saw you meant the real football! ....you almost had me there. Good save though, good save! lol

I know that's what they're going for and I hope they achieve it, I just have my doubts right now. But maybe it's the diehard fan and the amateur racer inside me that's thinking that. I just can't see how a racer that's at the top would like that. Putting the fanbase aside, this rule only benefits the people that are fast, but not quite podium fast, so basically the 4th-9th guys, more or less.

I would be interested to see some statistics as far as viewers and spectators that go to races over the last 20-25 years. I just can't imagine the numbers being lower now than it was in the 90s with the internet and high quality broadcasts, and live onboard footage and all the things they have these days. I can see the number of spectators at the tracks declining though, but that's probably because of the better coverage you get on TV and online. Back in the day if you wanted to see some good racing you had to actually go to the track. Nowadays you see everything on TV, there isn't much to miss, but at the track you only see a small portion of it. The only pro race I ever saw directly was MotoGP at Indy in 2012 and although amazing to see and hear those bikes so close, the first thing I did when I got back home was rewatched it on the videopass online because I felt I missed a lot of the race and only saw the action from T1-T3. And this is just my personal speculation but I think there probably is an overall decline in number of people interested in motorsports that's caused by the auto industry going "green". More and more Prius-like panzy cars around now than have ever been and less and less badass fire-breathing, ozone killing machines out there. More and more people care about fuel efficiency and low emissions, which is exactly the opposite of motorsports in general. And I'm not saying all that is bad. It's certainly good for the environment...but I'm just thinking that has something to do with the decline of people interested in motorsports. I could be wrong and completely talking out of my ass though, so who knows

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My thought is that they, Dorna, are trying desperately to differentiate WSBK from MotoGP with the target audience being people not familiar with the series (There really are too few of us that actually ride and are interested as well as knowledgeable when it comes to a particular racing series.) So far having two races and switching up the schedules, race on Saturday and Sunday, hasn't gotten the results that were expected.

I also think they are trying to find a "Rossi" figure in WSBK that will attract the sentimental and common fans. Not saying that Rossi isn't a great rider, because of course he is, but a lot of his "fans" really have zero knowledge of what MotoGP is or have never ridden a motorcycle.
I watch MotoGP with a group of guys at work. I'm the only one who rides; only one other guy has ridden before. MotoGP does a great job with the hi-res slo-mo and people really get excited about lean angles and whatnot, but the understanding of what's going on when the nose is diving under braking and the rear wheel is chattering and sliding into a turn makes it that much more impressive to me.

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Provisional WSBK grid...nothing really new or shocking, but here it is:

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Now even more interesting IMO is the provisional WSS 300 grid in its first year:

American Ashton Yates Included On Provisional 2017 FIM Supersport 300 World Championship Entry List

Apparently the Ninja 300 and the R3 are the bikes to have! Not a single RC390 which I found VERY surprising, and only 3 CBR500's. I'm hoping the CBR's are going to kick ass just because I have one lol...but I doubt that's going to happen. I'm sure there's a good reason why 90% of the grid is on R3's and Ninja 300's. I wonder if nobody wanted to try the KTM since they all blow up, and they'd rather finish races than get a bunch of DNFs? lol
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Yeah that's a good point. I guess I was thinking if that's ALL that I had...but now that I think of it, even if I did I wouldn't blow all my play money on 1 bike. I'd have like 3 less expensive ones, a truckload of race tires and track days and race weekend like every other weekend
Buy a track I love, use the bike I have, but a shit ton of tires. Use the track for myself and host TrackDays/use money for more tires lol

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Apparently the Ninja 300 and the R3 are the bikes to have! Not a single RC390 which I found VERY surprising, and only 3 CBR500's. I'm hoping the CBR's are going to kick ass just because I have one lol...but I doubt that's going to happen. I'm sure there's a good reason why 90% of the grid is on R3's and Ninja 300's. I wonder if nobody wanted to try the KTM since they all blow up, and they'd rather finish races than get a bunch of DNFs? lol
Never rode the R3, KTM RC390, or the CBR500 but I did have the Ninja 300 and damn I wish I would have kept it! That was one of the funnest things to have in the canyons lol only could imagine what I could have learned on the track on that thing!

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Never rode the R3, KTM RC390, or the CBR500 but I did have the Ninja 300 and damn I wish I would have kept it! That was one of the funnest things to have in the canyons lol only could imagine what I could have learned on the track on that thing!
I've ridden plenty of 300s, including 3 of them on the track, but unfortunately all of them were bone stock. My cbr500 has upgraded suspensions, higher adjustable rear sets, clip-ons, steering damper, and a few other things so it feels a lot better...but I'm guessing a ninja 300 with all those mods would feel much better than the stock ones too. The suspensions on all those little bikes are garbage from the factory...especially for heavier guys like me (around 225-235 lbs at the time).

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Umm...that was this year...still 2016

And what's that got to do with the WSBK thread??

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And what's that got to do with the WSBK thread??
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Hoping after a year with the new bike Sykes can compete more in a race and not get over taken by Rea and Davies as much. His last year the bike helped him to be able to keep a tire fresh/not as beat up like the older zx10r.

I also want to see the new R1 being more competitive! And I would say if yamah ends up losing someone during the season Beaubier might have another shot! He didn't do so bad for being on a WSBK Yamaha for the first time! Top 10 finish in race two and I know he DNF the first one but if he would have I can bet that it would have been another top 10.

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