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post #751 of 948 Old 04-26-2017, 05:35 AM
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Yep. Once again, when Rossi does it to someone else...cool story bro. When it's done to Rossi..."it's not Moto2 *anger* *shaking fist* *anger*"

Wasn't there a pass last year by Pedrosa or someone (the race Pedrosa won in one of the Spain circuits I think?) where he was pissed at someone for an inside pass too which wasn't even aggressive? lol. Or was that JLo? For some reason I think it was Rossi but I may be wrong.

The guy is a freakin cry baby if he's challenged with anything resembling an aggressive maneuver. Instead of just racing and getting back at the guy (within the rules) by dominating him with his, admittedly, HOF skill...he resorts to calling people out in the media and whining about it, etc. etc.

Can't stand this guy...

Hope he gets a flat tire next race...or a massive case of diarrhea and has a blowout in that suit of his leaving a trail of crap all the way back to his dumb trailer.


You're thinking about JLo.

You should get off the Rossi hate train. You don't have to like the guy, but he's got talent and he's usually not an idiot.
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What actually happened? At the start of lap seven, Rossi was leading Johann Zarco, who had been snapping at his heels for a while. Rossi made a mess of Turn 1, missing the apex and running wide. That put him too far to the inside for Turn 2, which he knew meant his run through the Esses all the way down to Turn 11 was completely ruined. Zarco saw an opportunity which was too good to pass up. "It was necessary to do it like this," Zarco explained, "because there was an opportunity to pass him, and if I asked myself, 'can I do it?' maybe I crash. So, necessary just to do it. "

Zarco squeezed into the inside of Turn 3, just as Rossi turned in, trying to close the door. The two were almost level at that point in the corner, but being on the outside, Rossi was forced to sit up. He sat up, ran on, and rejoined the race a long way ahead, on the tail of Márquez rather than just in front of Zarco. What's more, he did not give up the ground gained either before or after the incident.

After careful review, Race Direction decided to hand Valentino Rossi a penalty of 0.3 seconds, which is how much advantage Rossi gained with that maneuver, according to timekeeping. Although "penalty" is perhaps the wrong word. "The thinking behind the penalty was that you can't gain an advantage by leaving the track," Race Director Mike Webb explained. "There was clearly an advantage because he got closer to Marquez. So we negated that advantage."

I understand the rationale behind the penalty, you don't need to keep explaining it.

Again, what I said is unfair is assessing a penalty. It has to work both ways to be fair.
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While we're talking about hating riders...I get why people (myself included) hate on Lorenzo. I can also see the reasons why people don't like Rossi (not that there are many in that camp), as well as the reasons why some people never liked Stoner. But I have yet to understand any good reasons why Marquez haters don't like Marquez??

It sure can't be because he sucks at riding. And I don't see how it could be because of how he talks in interviews and generally off-track since he's usually one of the nicest guys in the paddock (based on what's shown on broadcasts of course...i haven't personally met any of those guys). So what are the reasons? Is it simply because he's one of Rossi's biggest rivals so naturally most Rossi fans hate everyone that's a threat to Rossi's chance of winning a championship?
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I don't dislike MM, but I don't like him either. He's the Yankees of Moto GP at this point IMO. He's too good, so I'd rather see someone else beat him.

Nothing against him as a person or even a racer really.
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That's some strong feelings about Rossi LOL...I've heard people say they hope someone crashes, or has a bike problem, but I've never heard of someone wishing a racer would shit himself in a race!

Even though I like Rossi, your comment made my day! Now I can go to sleep laughing lol
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I think he'd rather crash than be that embarrassed. I applaud your creative aggressiveness that does not harm a rider.


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You're thinking about JLo.

You should get off the Rossi hate train. You don't have to like the guy, but he's got talent and he's usually not an idiot.
Okay, my bad. Must be a Yamaha thing then .

Regardless, my point stands. If we think for a second that Rossi hasn't had 100 of those same exact passes, we're in denial. Dude has probably more than that. To get mad at another rider for it and call him out in the media is freakin childish. Dude is a baby.

As for the hate train...I'm the conductor and I'm accepting tickets. Choo chooo!!!!

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Okay, my bad. Must be a Yamaha thing then .

Regardless, my point stands. If we think for a second that Rossi hasn't had 100 of those same exact passes, we're in denial. Dude has probably more than that. To get mad at another rider for it and call him out in the media is freakin childish. Dude is a baby.

As for the hate train...I'm the conductor and I'm accepting tickets. Choo chooo!!!!

I agree. Like I said earlier - the pass attempt was fair. Rossi opened his mouth and >this time< it was stupid.

That doesn't make him whiny, or stupid, or etc. The only person who does that consistently is JLo.
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While we're talking about hating riders...I get why people (myself included) hate on Lorenzo. I can also see the reasons why people don't like Rossi (not that there are many in that camp), as well as the reasons why some people never liked Stoner. But I have yet to understand any good reasons why Marquez haters don't like Marquez??

It sure can't be because he sucks at riding. And I don't see how it could be because of how he talks in interviews and generally off-track since he's usually one of the nicest guys in the paddock (based on what's shown on broadcasts of course...i haven't personally met any of those guys). So what are the reasons? Is it simply because he's one of Rossi's biggest rivals so naturally most Rossi fans hate everyone that's a threat to Rossi's chance of winning a championship?

Marquez is very likable. He may not have the charm or whit of say ....Rossi.... but I don't understand how anyone can dislike him either.

He always puts blame on himself, even if he doesn't deserve it. He's always transparent, and always sincere. He genuinely cares for his team. He is humble. He learns from his mistakes.

Oh, and he can kinda ride a motorcycle good, too.


Also, don't be so quick to paint with a broad brush. I'm a Rossi fan first over other riders, but I don't dislike any other rider based on how they impact Rossi. I'm also quick to call bullshit on him when he does something stupid. I'd like to think that (hope?) most people who are fans of the sport can hold some semblance of objectivity.

I dislike Lorenzo, but that's simply because he's a troubled whiny cunt.
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The Rossi incident was completely unavoidable. If I were in his shoes I would have done EXACTLY the same thing as it was the only safe maneuver to try at that point. I am honestly a little shocked that they chose to give him a penalty over it as it was clearly a racing incident without fault but meh, it didn't affect the outcome of the race anyway. Zarco would have been a fool not to try that pass. Rossi was out of shape and left an opening. Any racer would have tried it.
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The Rossi incident was completely unavoidable. If I were in his shoes I would have done EXACTLY the same thing as it was the only safe maneuver to try at that point. I am honestly a little shocked that they chose to give him a penalty over it as it was clearly a racing incident without fault but meh, it didn't affect the outcome of the race anyway. Zarco would have been a fool not to try that pass. Rossi was out of shape and left an opening. Any racer would have tried it.

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While we're talking about hating riders...I get why people (myself included) hate on Lorenzo. I can also see the reasons why people don't like Rossi (not that there are many in that camp), as well as the reasons why some people never liked Stoner. But I have yet to understand any good reasons why Marquez haters don't like Marquez??

It sure can't be because he sucks at riding. And I don't see how it could be because of how he talks in interviews and generally off-track since he's usually one of the nicest guys in the paddock (based on what's shown on broadcasts of course...i haven't personally met any of those guys). So what are the reasons? Is it simply because he's one of Rossi's biggest rivals so naturally most Rossi fans hate everyone that's a threat to Rossi's chance of winning a championship?
Wait . . . people actually dislike Marquez?

That's just inexplicable. He's the awesomest rider ever.

Who can dislike this picture/ riding style?



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Wait . . . people actually dislike Marquez?

That's just inexplicable. He's the awesomest rider ever.

Who can dislike this picture/ riding style?





Seriously.

The ONLY thing I can even remotely find as a 'fault' in Marquez is his resolute loyalty to a very stubborn company that unnecessarily complicates his racing.
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Marquez is very likable. He may not have the charm or whit of say ....Rossi.... but I don't understand how anyone can dislike him either.

He always puts blame on himself, even if he doesn't deserve it. He's always transparent, and always sincere. He genuinely cares for his team. He is humble. He learns from his mistakes.

Oh, and he can kinda ride a motorcycle good, too.


Also, don't be so quick to paint with a broad brush. I'm a Rossi fan first over other riders, but I don't dislike any other rider based on how they impact Rossi. I'm also quick to call bullshit on him when he does something stupid. I'd like to think that (hope?) most people who are fans of the sport can hold some semblance of objectivity.

I dislike Lorenzo, but that's simply because he's a troubled whiny cunt.
I'm the same way, only difference is I'm split pretty evenly between Rossi and Marquez. I like them both equally and in my ideal world, those 2 would finish 1st and 2nd in every race in whichever order and it would make me happy. When Marquez first came onboard it really reminded me of a younger Rossi, that's one of the main things I like about him. And yes, when they are at fault for something, I don't side with them...I side with FACTS, as best to my knowledge.

But believe it or not, yes there are lots of Marquez haters out there, that's why I posted this question. I'm genuinely interested in hearing some opinions in case there are any on here. I don't want to paint anything with a big brush, but from my observations I can honestly say that I've never met a Marquez hater that wasn't a big Rossi fan. I've seen people that like both, and I've seen people that like one and dislike the other, but I have yet to see someone that dislikes both just as much. That's why I'm making that assumption. It also seems like most of the hatred came at the end of 2015 with all that drama going on.

I totally agree with your description of him though.

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I have never met a Rossi fan that does not have the instinct to proclaim how much they hate Lorenzo constantly (about every 1-2 minutes, or less)

It goes kinda like this: "VR46 fo life. Forza Vale! He's taking the championship this year . . . .oh, and I hate Lorenzo's personality."

It's all good though.

My only advice to him would be that he really needs to shut his mouth if he wants another championship.

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I have never met a Rossi fan that does not have the instinct to proclaim how much they hate Lorenzo constantly (about every 1-2 minutes, or less)

It goes kinda like this: "VR46 fo life. Forza Vale! He's taking the championship this year . . . .oh, and I hate Lorenzo's personality."

It's all good though.

My only advice to him would be that he really needs to shut his mouth if he wants another championship.
That last sentence is probably true lol

Personally I'm a fan of the sport first and foremost. My priority is this:

1. The sport, racing...I want to see good quality racing.

2. The riders...when talking MotoGP, Rossi and Marquez are my main picks. Rossi will soon retire, so then it'll be just Marquez, but I'm just as happy to see others win if the races are great....just as long as it's not Lorenzo

3. The teams...Ducati is my main pick here....which really conflicts heavily with the Lorenzo thing, but so long as Dovi keep beating his teammate, it's all good. I can cheer for Ducati without being hypocritical towards my #2 point

4. The umbrella girls....cuz who doesn't like them??
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My only advice to him would be that he really needs to shut his mouth if he wants another championship.


Well after all he is Italian. Gotta shut those hands up too

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