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Can your reflexes really improve with training? I know there is a definite strengthening of mind-body connection and hand-eye coordination but what about reflexes? I know whenever I'm in traffic in the car or even on my street bike riding to the gym or whatever, things just seem to happen a lot slower than when I started 1.5 years ago. I was really weirded out which caused me to want to post this..... I had a bunch of flies that got into the house. I got so fed up I started killing them with just my hand, smacking when landed before they could fly away or even swatting them out of the air. I could never do that before.. lol..

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.............. definitely sounds like a 2 AM thought....

I have to think your reflexes are not going to get faster -- radioactive spider bites notwithstanding.

Your situational awareness is definitely going to improve, with riding. Your balance and coordination will become more focused as well. Perception and the ability to predict future action are intertwined; the more you see, the more you can predict. What is in front of your eye, and what your brain recognizes are not the same thing -- riding makes you look at the world with a wider 'net' for lack of another word. You are more immersed in the world. That carries over to most other things you do.

Pat Morita grabbing flies out of the air with chopsticks? (oldster reference to 'the karate kid') I don't think you will see that sort of improvement, LOL.

"Basic stuff fellas. Use your head for something other than to break your next fall."

"There's this adage that we have 2 ears and one mouth so we should listen twice as much as we talk. Unfortunately with the Internet people have taken this old adage and turned it around. They have two eyes and 10 fingers so they think they need to post 5 times as much as they read. And since they have 10 fingers and one brain, they only have to think 10% of the time! "
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Hey guys,

Can your reflexes really improve with training? I know there is a definite strengthening of mind-body connection and hand-eye coordination but what about reflexes? I know whenever I'm in traffic in the car or even on my street bike riding to the gym or whatever, things just seem to happen a lot slower than when I started 1.5 years ago. I was really weirded out which caused me to want to post this..... I had a bunch of flies that got into the house. I got so fed up I started killing them with just my hand, smacking when landed before they could fly away or even swatting them out of the air. I could never do that before.. lol..
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I used to be a Team Oregon Motorcycle Safety instructor - our version of MSF, and had the privilege of seeing studies conducted by European Safety studies, Australian motorcycle safety data, and even studies conducted by big O.E.s, like Honda.

What was consistently brought up was with training & with saddle time the rider became vasty more proactive with regard to their scanning activity. Thus, the rider has more time to see, better recognize and assess what it was they were actually seeing. An then formulate their response(s).

The rate of speed at which the physical act of their eyes continuously moving from one point to the next and the cognizant processing of such information was startling in the area of 8-10X/5-second intervals verses 3-4X/5-second intervals. Non-riders target fixated. So the recognition of potential hazards became exponential over say 60-seconds, or two mintes in an urban setting.

And more over this visual acuity transferred from the motorcycle saddle to the automobile seat. There is a wealth of non-U.S. data that shows bike riders having fewer auto accidents than non-motorcyclists. And even retaining better knowledge as it pertains to rules of the road, signage recognition X, Y, & Z years after passing their test/endorsement as a motorcyclist when compared to non-riders. This rapid processing & response time seems to give the feeling of 'time slowing down', when it's more a case of being able to scan, identify, predict and act to ever changing conditions without becoming phased, or even shutting down when overdosed on environmental stimuli.
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ZedEx....I don't know if you were in attendance....

I attended ARC through Team Oregon, in spring 2006 at the Pat's Acres facility. One of the most fun training experiences I have had to date. Using the Go Kart track was a brilliant way to keep speeds reasonable, and everyone within sight of the instructors. More than wide enough to emulate street riding conditions. I found that to be a very useful day of riding. The only frustration was due to the number of cruisers that were trying to navigate the course. They really, really needed that training....

Since I have come East, and now work on a military facility, I can attend MSF motorcycle training on a space A basis due to being retired, whenever they have a seat. It doesn't compare; but it is always a good idea to get someone to look at our technique with a critical eye.
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"Basic stuff fellas. Use your head for something other than to break your next fall."

"There's this adage that we have 2 ears and one mouth so we should listen twice as much as we talk. Unfortunately with the Internet people have taken this old adage and turned it around. They have two eyes and 10 fingers so they think they need to post 5 times as much as they read. And since they have 10 fingers and one brain, they only have to think 10% of the time! "
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We can only process so much, not knowing what needs priority attention.

Staying current with training and being able to leave things like shifting and speed to your ear and muscle memory.

Learning how to force yourself to look where you want to go and NOT fixate.
With certain exercise's you can improve your reflexes back to your younger days and work hard enough most can even best that.

From what I've seen, a huge portion was being able to filter out what you don't need.
Not as easy as it sound's.
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We can only process so much, not knowing what needs priority attention.

Staying current with training and being able to leave things like shifting and speed to your ear and muscle memory.

Learning how to force yourself to look where you want to go and NOT fixate.
With certain exercise's you can improve your reflexes back to your younger days and work hard enough most can even best that.

From what I've seen, a huge portion was being able to filter out what you don't need.
Not as easy as it sound's.
That's why so many riders 'lock up' when they face a totally new situation on a bike...... training, and seat time allow you to figure out how to process the info. That's also why very old drivers tend to go so much slower than others..... can't process it as fast anymore.

Youngsters tend to rely on their reflexes to get them out of the trouble they get into. The more experience you get, the less likely you are to need to rely on those reflexes due to anticipation of the situation.
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"Basic stuff fellas. Use your head for something other than to break your next fall."

"There's this adage that we have 2 ears and one mouth so we should listen twice as much as we talk. Unfortunately with the Internet people have taken this old adage and turned it around. They have two eyes and 10 fingers so they think they need to post 5 times as much as they read. And since they have 10 fingers and one brain, they only have to think 10% of the time! "
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That's why so many riders 'lock up' when they face a totally new situation on a bike...... training, and seat time allow you to figure out how to process the info. That's also why very old drivers tend to go so much slower than others..... can't process it as fast anymore.

Youngsters tend to rely on their reflexes to get them out of the trouble they get into. The more experience you get, the less likely you are to need to rely on those reflexes due to anticipation of the situation.
And as an old guy I don't want to go there.
I'm positive track day's have helped with target fixation, having several riders go off track in front of me and one meet another rider avoiding both.
It showed up last road trip, fast corners on the street and gravel covered the road, I looked where I wanted to go and did.
In the past I would have puckered and stayed on my originally planned track, which could be bad.
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I used to be a Team Oregon Motorcycle Safety instructor - our version of MSF, and had the privilege of seeing studies conducted by European Safety studies, Australian motorcycle safety data, and even studies conducted by big O.E.s, like Honda.

What was consistently brought up was with training & with saddle time the rider became vasty more proactive with regard to their scanning activity. Thus, the rider has more time to see, better recognize and assess what it was they were actually seeing. An then formulate their response(s).

The rate of speed at which the physical act of their eyes continuously moving from one point to the next and the cognizant processing of such information was startling in the area of 8-10X/5-second intervals verses 3-4X/5-second intervals. Non-riders target fixated. So the recognition of potential hazards became exponential over say 60-seconds, or two mintes in an urban setting.

And more over this visual acuity transferred from the motorcycle saddle to the automobile seat. There is a wealth of non-U.S. data that shows bike riders having fewer auto accidents than non-motorcyclists. And even retaining better knowledge as it pertains to rules of the road, signage recognition X, Y, & Z years after passing their test/endorsement as a motorcyclist when compared to non-riders. This rapid processing & response time seems to give the feeling of 'time slowing down', when it's more a case of being able to scan, identify, predict and act to ever changing conditions without becoming phased, or even shutting down when overdosed on environmental stimuli.
Nice!!! That's the scientific explanation for my racing instructor saying "your brain and eyes coming up to speed"

If I'm really alert, driving my car it feels like traffic is practically slow motion sometimes.... just like how my first track day was overwhelming and now 100 mph turns are just fun

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Practice makes perfect concept. It definitely applies to reflexes as well. Getting older definitely has a negative effect.

Sometimes I think to myself about how my reflexes have degraded in only a few short years. Couple years ago I would swerve around every pothole on the streets while driving. Nowadays I see it but by the time I think of my next move its too late and I just drive over it and hope for the best.

Fuck, Im gettin old!
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