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post #16 of 31 Old 12-12-2016, 10:55 AM
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I was out of town this weekend and just had a chance to read through the reply's. It sounds like I may be on the right track. Pslow I will read your links directly. At this point I don't think racing is really in the cards for me. The closest track to me is a little over 4 hours away and it Hallett, not really the safest or best track surface around. I've got 2 girls that I follow around in volleyball, basketball and softball so I don't really want to devote the time to try to follow all the races in the circuit and if I did it I would not want to just do one here and there. Also, I don't have the money to spare on too much crash repair. I enjoy the track days where I can push just a little more each session and stay within my limits to a degree while still pushing and not feeling like I have to make a sketchy move or have one made on me. I err towards safety in any iffy situation on the track but I know I have more to give I think I just need to commit a bit more and pay attention to what I'm doing when I'm behind a slower rider planning a pass.

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Whaaat? Hallett is awesome! I agree that not the safest around, especially compared to something like COTA that has miles of paved runoff area, but it's a nice little technical track. I didn't have any issues with the surface. As far as I know they had just repaved it about 2-3 years ago. This year was my first time there. Went with MCRA although just did the track days, I didn't race there. It's probably my 3rd favorite track so far, out of about 6 or 7.

Maybe I'll see you there at some point next year. I plan on going at least once for sure. It's just over 6 hours away for me.
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I don't mean so much that the track is unsafe. But that the people on the track are not necessarily the safest and the rules are a little too lax for me... That being said I will go, it's just not my favorite. I've only ever rode it CCW. If you end up planning a trip let me know and I'll see if I can make it.
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I don't mean so much that the track is unsafe. But that the people on the track are not necessarily the safest and the rules are a little too lax for me... That being said I will go, it's just not my favorite. I've only ever rode it CCW. If you end up planning a trip let me know and I'll see if I can make it.
Ah yes, if you did the MLD (Hallett's lapping days) then I agree with what you said. First time I went there was in March this year and I had the same opinion about it as you. But I liked the track and went back in August with MCRA and it was totally different. They do a good job organizing their events and it felt safer as well as more fun. I would definitely recommend them.

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I was out of town this weekend and just had a chance to read through the reply's. It sounds like I may be on the right track. Pslow I will read your links directly. At this point I don't think racing is really in the cards for me. The closest track to me is a little over 4 hours away and it Hallett, not really the safest or best track surface around. I've got 2 girls that I follow around in volleyball, basketball and softball so I don't really want to devote the time to try to follow all the races in the circuit and if I did it I would not want to just do one here and there. Also, I don't have the money to spare on too much crash repair. I enjoy the track days where I can push just a little more each session and stay within my limits to a degree while still pushing and not feeling like I have to make a sketchy move or have one made on me. I err towards safety in any iffy situation on the track but I know I have more to give I think I just need to commit a bit more and pay attention to what I'm doing when I'm behind a slower rider planning a pass.

SBK1198 you are correct. that was not me. I'll try to upload some video of me and post it.
HS, the links are more technical "How To" than about racing specifically. The same techniques apply whether you are a track day rider or racer.
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I don't mean so much that the track is unsafe. But that the people on the track are not necessarily the safest and the rules are a little too lax for me... That being said I will go, it's just not my favorite. I've only ever rode it CCW. If you end up planning a trip let me know and I'll see if I can make it.
If want to check out an MCRA track day at Hallett, they'll be there May 27-28. I ran both Hallett events with MCRA earlier this year and had a blast. Hallett is by far the best track to camp at (that I've been too) and the track its self is really fun.
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I don't mean so much that the track is unsafe. But that the people on the track are not necessarily the safest and the rules are a little too lax for me... That being said I will go, it's just not my favorite. I've only ever rode it CCW. If you end up planning a trip let me know and I'll see if I can make it.
Just have to be careful and not run over any R1Ms. I took one out this spring:

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Whew, ok managed to find the time to read through.

Passing or what we call racecraft is an acquired skill that really can only come from experience. We try to teach it as best we can but the ability to recognize passing opportunities and seize them is a decision that often needs to take less than a fraction of a second. That skill is one that takes time to develop and is something that can literally take a lifetime. I *still* work on developing my racecraft every single time that I go out on a bike as (in my opinion) it is the hardest thing to learn on a motorcycle because it is so dynamic.

Even on track days where I have to ride ultra-conservatively (Read if you want to know why that is: Racers at track days) I still work on my racecraft. If I am following someone I set myself up to make a pass. I visualize the line I would take. I make sure to use the same tip in, throttle, and braking markers that I would use if I were going to execute a pass. I simply brake more (letting them go) or do not get on the throttle as hard (letting them go) until I am in a place where I can execute a pass with a absurdly large margin for error.

I exercise the mental aspect of passing at every opportunity. Even when driving a car I visualize the traffic around me as if they were bikes and plot my course through them. This is what hones that decision making process and allows me to make split-second decisions that will make a difference in a race.
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Just have to be careful and not run over any R1Ms. I took one out this spring:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knk7bPgjcuY
Did you murder him afterwards?

What happened to the bike?

How nice did hitting the tires feel?

How did it feel burying the body?


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That sucks TDH. We ban people for that up here :/
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Did you murder him afterwards?

What happened to the bike?

How nice did hitting the tires feel?

How did it feel burying the body?

Most people would've probably done that but Todd is much much nicer and patient than most people. I don't even think the R1 guy apologized, and if you hear at the end his excuse was "they told me I can go", which is a bs excuse! Still have to look and follow the blending rules no matter what
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I'm pretty sure I would have assaulted him at the tire wall in a blind rage... lol

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He has no hard feelings, but he will have the parts and labor bill for that guys 😂
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Just have to be careful and not run over any R1Ms. I took one out this spring:

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I remember seeing this when it first happened. It helped solidify my apprehension of Hallett.

That's some scary stuff.
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I remember seeing this when it first happened. It helped solidify my apprehension of Hallett.

That's some scary stuff.
Just make sure that they stress the blend line in the morning riders meeting, and if they don't make sure you bring it up and stress it. If you go to Hallett for our event (MCRA) I can guarantee you it will be stressed and enforced. Hallett is a fun track.
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Same deal with Willow Springs. Big Willow. The pits dump you right into turn 1. Guys are going around 160mph down the front straight and others are coming on to the track into turn 1. Most sane people know that you can't cut across the track from the inside to the outside when other riders are trying to slow down and turn in. Dumbass people fouling it up. I would not have been so nice.
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